Air Bagan Crash ???
 

any updates on what happened with Air bagan's F100 today ? I heard that they have crashed somehwere in Burma and two people died ???

Here's a link: Jet crash lands: 2 dead, including 11-yr old - Emirates 24/7

Myanmar plane crash kills child, rider | News.com.au

A FLIGHT packed with Christmas tourists has crash-landed on a road in central Myanmar (Burma), killing two people and injuring 11.
Four foreigners were among the injured, state television reported on Tuesday. The airline said the injured were American, British and Korean.
The fatalities included an 11-year-old passenger believed to be a Myanmar citizen and a man riding a motorcycle on the road where the plane came down, state TV said.
The Air Bagan flight was carrying 63 passengers, including 51 foreigners, and six crew members.
It was flying from the city of Mandalay to Heho airport in Shan State, the gateway to a popular tourist destination, Inle Lake, Air Bagan said in a brief statement on its Facebook page.
The airline described the incident as an "emergency landing".
Authorities gave a different and more dramatic account, saying the pilot mistook the road for a runway due to bad weather.
"While descending, the plane mistakenly landed ... due to fog beside the runway," state television reported. It said the aircraft made a hard landing on a road and then came to a stop in a nearby rice paddy field.
"The rear end of the plane broke and caught fire," state TV said, carrying a statement posted on Deputy Information Minister Ye Htut's Facebook page.
Rescuers brought the fire under control about 45 minutes later, he said.
Witnesses said smoke filled the plane when it hit the ground and was still rising from the plane's badly charred wreckage hours later.
Airport officials in Heho said that injured passengers were taken to a hospital in the nearby city of Taunggyi for treatment.
Air Bagan is one of five private airlines that fly domestic routes in Myanmar. It is a unit of Htoo Trading Company, which is owned by business tycoon Tay Za.

Air Bagan Fokker F100 crash in Myanmar city - Burma (Photos included)
 

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Jet crash lands: 2 dead, including 11-yr old

A Myanmar plane carrying 65 passengers including foreign tourists crash-landed in eastern Shan state on Tuesday, leaving two people dead and 11 others injured, the airline and officials said. Air Bagan said the aircraft, an ageing Fokker-100, was forced to make an emergency landing two miles (three kilometres) from Heho airport, which is the gateway to the popular tourist destination of Inle Lake.
"One passenger who was missing was found dead inside the plane. We are still trying to identify who the dead passenger is," the carrier announced in a statement posted on its Facebook page.
The victim was an 11-year-old child, according to the information ministry, which added that four foreigners were among those hurt in the accident.
Another person was killed when the plane struck a motorbike on a road near the airport, it said.
The exact circumstances of the incident were not immediately clear, but a government official said a fire was reported in one of the engines as it approached Heho airport at around 9 am (0230 GMT).
"Because of the emergency landing near the airport, the plane broke up in the middle," the official told AFP on condition of anonymity, adding that passengers were evacuated.
A local tour guide waiting at the airport for passengers on the Air Bagan flight to arrive said the fire had "burnt almost the whole plane".
Air Bagan spokesman Ye Min Oo said the two pilots among the injured were taken to hospital, although their condition was not immediately known.
"The cause of the accident is not clear yet. Only the pilots will know the cause, but we can't contact them yet as they have been sent to hospital," he said.
Air Bagan is one of several domestic carriers seeking to profit from a tourist boom in Myanmar as it emerges from decades of military rule. It is owned by Tay Za, a tycoon known for his close links to the former junta.
The airline operates two Fokker 100 jets, which are no longer manufactured.
Long isolated from the world under decades of junta rule, the Southeast Asian nation has seen an influx of tourists and business travellers in recent months following a raft of political reforms.
The surge in demand for air travel has stretched Myanmar's aviation infrastructure, in particular in remote airports.
Yangon International Airport, the country's main terminal, is set to exceed its limit of 2.7 million passengers this year and the Department of Civil Aviation warned in July it needs urgent upgrading.

Looking at those pictures it is a miracle that anybody survived.

Not really post landing fire will do that the wreackage looks pretty much undisrupted. Looks at first glance like a text book forced landing.

Reported as attempt to land in foggy conditions.
Heho Airport is equipped with a NDB as the only radio aid.
11 in hospital including both pilots, both locals.

Local media has reports of locals saying an engine was observed on fire before landing, the impact seems parallel to the airport with an offset of two miles or so.
Two dead, one local guide (passenger), one motorcyclist who got hit by the plane.
Nine passengers, two crew injured, total 71 pax on board, 51 of them being foreigners.

This is said very often by "locals", but seldom true.....

Maybe it has to do with the speed of sound, e.g. fire on impact is seen before the sound of impact....


PR on BAGAN website

Airbagan Royal Lotus Plus / Myanmar Airline / Your Air Line in Myanmar / Asia Airline

Can't comment on the carrier or the equipment but it is refreshing to see this open, honest approach to PR.

And their website isn't bad either.

Even taking the post crash fire into account, I think they were pretty lucky. Tail section separated, no wings visible, the final second must have been a pretty rough ride though...

still...one more point up for No Crew in cockpit !

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Rh engine has had some form of uncontained failure by the looks of it. Tr missing. Post crash maybe?

NDB approach in fog - the classical recipe for disaster. Having engine fire at the same time is extremely unlikely.

If by Tr you mean Thrust Reverser, no such thing on the Fokkerjet.

i find it utterly miraculous that they put it down on scrubland and managed to get away with so few deaths.... sure it will all come out in the investigation, but low vis approaches will always be a hazard...

will these jets have been fitted with egpws/gpws at all?

Are you sure? :=

FOKKER 100 GENERAL.

Looks like a T/R in the third picture posted above in this thread.

or possibly they missed the runway and crashed a servicable aircraft...? Think Polish presidential flight or Britannia at Girona. Difficult landings in bad weather,

The GPWS is likely to be a primitive one with warnings based on terrain closure rate rather than a database. So if they were coming down at 700 fpm on an NDB approach to a runway there would be no warning if they went for a road instead.

Think you got that wrong Airbubba.

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The Fokker 100 crashed shortly after take-off from Congonhas/São Paulo International Airport, São Paulo, Brazil, striking an apartment building and several houses. The crash was attributed to the uncommanded deployment of a faulty thrust-reverser on the right engine shortly after take-off.

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No Thrust Reverser @ Fk100....

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Hummmm, i dont think so...:confused:

Maybe Oceancrosser mistaken it with BAE146/ARJ.

Indeed, no doubt about it: F100's got TR's

So something happened to the RH TR (probably post impact?)

Thrust reversers on every F100 and 70 I have worked on, KLMuk and Cityhopper, and a few others.

Apart from the sanctions etc, how difficult is it to keep a Fokker working these days? are parts readily available?

Apparently. There are dozens of the things flying around Oz at the moment. Fokkers in my 12, Fokkers in my 6. Fokkers, Fokkers everywhere!

Really? :E

I flew the palne for a few years, and of course there are thrust reversers. A very nice plane, mixing very advanced avionics (at the time) and very simple systems (you can still fly it with all hydraulics lost). For the reverse, there is a cable going to the thrust lever: if the reverse accidentally "deploys" in the air, it pulls the cable, and the cable pulls back the thrust lever to idle...Simple and effective! The autoland was extremely good (we tried it just to see in very gusty conditions and it landed the aircraft like a dream!) but ADF approaches...I guess it is a matter of stopping at minimum altitude...and flying no further...

In addition to Narvals technical description: we used to practise an inadvertent reverser deployment inflight on occasion in the simulator. While it shook the aircraft quite well until the engine was shut down (if I remember correctly, this was one of the few engine failures where the aircraft would not indicate the affected engine by lighting up the fuel lever; identifying the side was done by looking for the retarded power lever and the little R on the engine display), it was still flyable without noticeable loss of altitude. An open TR is not an instant accident in this aircraft at all.

When Fokker went titzup someone bought out the company, renamed it Rekkof, and continued on a spares&service basis. So you still get full factory support but they no longer build new aircraft.

Lovely little aircraft, easy to fly and tough as old boots. The only downside is the outdated and thus somewhat thirsty engines. KLM replaced their last one about a year ago.

Only the 100s gone, still operating the 70s

Craking little airplane to fly, Airbus avionics and simple controls. Still lots of them flying, all with thrust reversers.
They are also now available as biz jets with a full re fit and range extended.
The mod to the thrust reverser system that automatically closes the corresponding thrust lever on inadvertant airborne deployment, was brought in after an accident in Brazil, when one deployed on take off and they took out a tower block.

Would be interesting to know the elapsed time from impact to all the photos being take. The 'fog' appears to have cleared by 100%. Sky News report the fire crews on hand quickly, due to proximity of airfield, also mentioned that USA had given an advisory notice about the carrier in previous months - no details of what and when.

What about the investigation - does Burma have the capabilities to investigate this accident itself, does it relegate this job to any other countries authority or will this accident go uninvestigated?

NDB Approach, fog....

Several accidents come into my mind.....

Tu.114: local media reports flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder have been located and will be sent to Singapore for read out.
So that might reveal what happened, apart from what the pilots will tell us.

US intelligence towards Air Bagan, interesting statements towards maintenance, pilot training and CAA supervision:

https://dazzlepod.com/cable/08RANGOON167/

Safelife,

thank You for the information. Especially paragraph 5 of the report You linked is interesting reading and makes me wonder how serious Burmese authorities will be about investigating this accident. If what is alleged in there is true and the supervising authority was under orders to turn at least one blind eye to this company, it would likely be good to have at least a part of the investigation done outside of the country.

The first report did say "landed on a road." I wonder if they mistook highway lights for the runway.

I spent seven years flying the F100. It certainly does have reversers. The confusion could come from it's official designation, which is F28-100. The original F28 (Speys, not Tays) did not have reversers.

Oceancrosser, having worked as a licensed engineer on F100/70s for many years I can assure that thrust reversers are indeed installed on these aircraft.
Totally agree with Herod, think you are getting confused with the F28.

How many more of these until RNP?
 

If it turns out to be related to fog, misidentified road as a runway, or hitting powerlines with an otherwise good jet, it will just be one more tragic unnecessary "low visibility landing" accident that didn't need to happen. These kinds of accidents are entirely preventable using a decent FMS with RNP (at trivially low procedure development cost globally), or even better yet with GBAS/GLS (at far less cost compared to any ILS). How many more of these kinds of unnecessary accidents do we need to have globally, before we recognize that "non-precision approaches" are unnecessary, obsolete dinosaurs, that have no place in modern jet transport aviation?