Hurricane Sandy shuts down East Coast US
I see Sandys managed to shut down flights into New York, Boston and Philidelphia effective as of tomorrow AM. Aer Lingus + BA cancelled all ops so far...
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It'll save them a packet. Re-book all PAX and save the fuel on all the CNX flights?
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BA's load factor to JFK is over 90%, with I think nine wide bodies a day and one A318.
Where exactly do you think these pax will be re booked to? :ugh: This will cost BA (and others) a packet. |
BA's load factor to JFK is over 90%, with I think nine wide bodies a day and one A318. Where exactly do you think these pax will be re booked to? :ugh: |
They can fly with Virgin, they have operated this evening's flights to New York
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VS flights to and from New York, Washington and VS11 to Boston on Monday 29 October 2012 have been cancelled.
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Mmm, what about tomorrow? KJFK 282325Z 2900/3006 02024G34KT 6SM -DZ OVC020 FM290600 02026G40KT 6SM -RA OVC015 FM291200 02032G45KT 6SM -RA OVC015 FM291500 02037G55KT 5SM RA OVC010 FM291800 04042G60KT 2SM +RA OVC007 FM300000 08045G65KT 2SM +RA OVC007 FM300500 13040G60KT 2SM +RA OVC007 KLGA 282325Z 2900/2924 04025G30KT 6SM -DZ OVC020 FM290600 04026G38KT 6SM -RA OVC015 FM291200 03032G45KT 6SM -RA OVC015 FM291500 02037G55KT 5SM RA OVC010 FM291800 04042G62KT 2SM +RA OVC007 FM292300 06045G65KT 2SM +RA OVC007 |
Coming from a locale where visibility is in metres or kilometres, is "SM" in the above statute miles?
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Vis in SM..
Capt. Claret, you are spot on...
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Hmm....with a wind of 040/42G60kts should be able to pull up on 04R about half-way. Nice.
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May not be desirable to have one's aircraft on the ground on the east coast.
The USN has sent a large part of its Norfolk fleet to sea for a jolly roll around. |
That's the spirit!
I see at least one airline, an ultra low cost, is braving the storm.
'Spirit Airlines' has an A320 scheduled flight, NK103, from Boston to Fort Lauderdale at 38,000 ft SE of Baltimore. (10:17 UK time) (Plane Finder ? Flight Radar and Live Flight Tracking) Seems to have flown right down the East coast. And they apparently charge for the coffee on board. |
Spirit Airlines
Rather them than me :P
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Betting 30th will vanish too!
KJFK 291051Z 02023G33KT 6SM -RA BR BKN018 OVC023 12/11 A2936 RMK AO2 PK WND 02034/1015 SLP942 P0000 T01220106 $
TAF: KJFK 291120Z 2912/3018 02030G40KT 6SM -RA OVC012 FM291500 02034G45KT 5SM RA OVC008 FM291800 03038G55KT 2SM +RA OVC007 FM300000 08042G60KT 2SM +RA OVC007 FM300200 13045G65KT 3SM SHRA OVC010 FM300500 15038G60KT 4SM -SHRA OVC015 FM301100 16032G50KT 6SM -SHRA BKN035 FM301700 16028G42KT P6SM BKN050 tomorrow looks lovely too! Will BA/VS etc put on extra a/c? With such high load factors, obviously there are not many seats to pop people onto! What happens in this kind of scenario? |
I see at least one airline, an ultra low cost, is braving the storm. Given the flight's destination is miles away from the action, I'd say "what's the problem", especially given it's only a Cat 1. |
The Carnarsti approach would've been most interesting to watch;)
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Shamrogue
Will BA/VS etc put on extra a/c? |
BA's load factor to JFK is over 90%, with I think nine wide bodies a day and one A318.
Headlines: "BA charters QE 3 to replace 10 flights." The USN has sent a large part of its Norfolk fleet to sea for a jolly roll around. FM300200 13045G65K But then again, perhaps not. It's their back yard so I assume they know what they are doing. I see at least one airline, an ultra low cost, is braving the storm. Seems to have flown right down the East coast. And they apparently charge for the coffee on board. The gritty bulldog spirit has migrated west. They'll make a fortune on re-fills. I wonder how long before someone publishes a thread of a/c diverting on fumes. I hope the minimum fuel guys stay at home and let the gas-guzzlers into the ring. |
Now I don't want to make the the wrong impression here. I know Sandy is a serious weather system.
But.... I have landed a B737 in 65 kts wind gusts before. I know many others here on the forum have as well. Especially those from the North Western part of Europe. We have storms like this every autumn / winter in these parts. What makes this so different? Are our storms here so much different from the Hurricanes? Or have we all been very careless in the past and will the lawyers simply not allow it anymore from now on? Is it all about liability? |
What is the max operating ground wind speed for a 737? IIRC the airbus is 60 knots. Ramp operations become very dangerous for ground staff at those wind speeds.
Just because you can do it doesn't mean it is a sensible thing to do. Better to take a delay, and operate more safely later. |
Delaware gov declared emergency
.....and so all the intrepid Flightsafety students arrived at Wilmington today from all over the world, only to be told that the guv had declared an emergency, so they had to close(!) As of now, it is just raining, so several tried to get the ground instructor to do the class at the hotel, so they could start with Sim when emergency is over......nope.
My FO has birthday today, but all the shops, restaurants etc closed and we are not permitted to drive(!) As long as we keep power, we have some water and sandwiches etc. but if the power goes, only emergency lighting, no running water, no heat, no frig or micro to heat food. Exciting! La la la Iceland and northern Denmark, Scotland all have this level of rain and wind, but the worst is yet to come. High tide now, storm surge on the coast and up to 8 inches rain forecast...... We will see........ |
The Carnarsti approach would've been most interesting to watch |
Probably not worth risking a landing in 55 knot winds and then get on the ground to find that nobody is there to service the aircraft as I am sure many will fail to show up for work due the massive evacuations ordered.
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Jfk 291451z 03027g38kt 5sm -ra br bkn014 ovc025 14/12 a2913 rmk ao2 pk wnd 04041/1437 slp865 p0001 60003 t01390122 57062
kjfk 291436z 2915/3018 03032g44kt 4sm -ra ovc012 fm291800 03036g52kt 2sm +ra ovc008 fm300000 08042g60kt 2sm +ra ovc007 fm300200 13045g65kt 3sm shra ovc010 fm300500 15038g60kt 4sm -shra ovc015 fm301100 16032g50kt 6sm -shra bkn035 fm301700 16028g42kt p6sm bkn050 |
And then find a stray luggage bin embedded in the side of your fuselage. Or the aircraft blown sideways into a jetway. Or worse. :ugh:
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/iln/Gallery/Damage/damage57.jpg |
Flightaware gives an idea of just how little air traffic there is over NYC this morning:
FlightAware One made it out of EWR a little while ago and is routing round the weather: FlightAware |
Yep, they had to get some of the guys down to MCO for NBAA's convention....:D
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We have storms like this every autumn / winter in these parts. On a different note - as part of my work I once flew as pax through a hurricane (Floyd) with the US Hurricane Hunters in a C130. Impressive, to put it mildly, but also surprisingly smooth ride, even when punching through the eye wall. |
Seat 0A - Public transport shut down in NYC, BOS etc. How are employees/PAX supposed to get to/from the airport? Everyone jump in their car? Its not just wind. Storm surge 6-10 ft forecast in NYC area, 3-6 ft elsewhere. Hopefully it wont be that bad and we will be back up and running soon. A storm that affects 50 million people is a pretty serious event.
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FerrypilotDK,
Sorry you have been inconvenienced, such is life. Consider yourself fortunate to be in Wilmington (a dubious fortune normally) as you are at the SW edge of this nasty storm. |
Those actuals happen every winter at Belfast City Airport! What's the big deal..?
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172driver
I've spoken to some of the Hunter pilots over the years. They all said many storms, with a good nav working the radar, would be very smooth, BUT, every once in awhile, you would be positive that you wouldn't survive the turbulence. They only lost one, IIRC, appears to have LOC at low altitude. Not much was found. |
172 driver, the TAF for JFK indicates only gusts up to 65 kts. Maximum sustained wind is 45 kts. Too much for a 172, but for a large jet?
Again, not wishing to sound dismissive, but the TAF for JFK is really not that extraordinary for any given major airport in NW Europe. edit: only thing I could find quickly was a maximum surface wind at Amsterdam Schiphol at October 27, 2002 of 69 kts. The country didn't shut down that day. But then again, only 16 million people affected :) Now if the governor decides to shut down the entire state, the economics of continuing to fly are of course not good. I understand that. |
The USN has sent a large part of its Norfolk fleet to sea for a jolly roll around. FM300200 13045G65K But then again, perhaps not. It's their back yard so I assume they know what they are doing. |
What's all the fuss about?
Just seen the footage of Atlantic City, NJ, today as the storm approached. It's just like Blackpool on a good day. |
Think it was a joke..."Canasty"....
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You guys are right. Its just a hurricane. All of the Podunk airports the world over would be fully operational right now, handling their hundreds of passengers without pause!!
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In 2011 the US news media rather carelessly missed predicting the extent and coverage of the "Hallowe'en Nor'easter" only a few months after wildly underestimating the ferocity and damage associated with Hurricane Irene as it hit the North East. As a consequence, the US news media have introduced a new weather reporting system:
Level 1 - Oh my Christ, it's coming and there's nothing you can do. Level 2 - Dear God, the water's coming in and the roof just came off. Level 3 - I've just peed my pants. Level 4 - Somebody not living in New York fell in a puddle. Not to underestimate the danger and damage associated with Sandy, but the hysteria is helping no-one. |
...and yet life and commerce will go on. It puts into perspective the large amount of non-essential air travel, doesn't it? Looking at it with a jaundiced eye, is not most travel non-essential these days? ("I simply must go to Tuscany, its on my bucket list!") When the Trans-Atlantic cable was laid, people said ocean travel would be drastically reduced. With conference calling in the 1960s, and now with internet, SAT phones and HD i-pads, do we really need to cross the Atlantic by the thousands every day? Let alone the Pacific and every continent on the globe. ... Yes, in an aviation forum, these are heretical posits, so classify me a pariah. Have I traveled overseas and crossed continents? Yes, call my a hypocrite, but I truly do not yearn to see Machu Picchu, The Louvre, or the solid waste and sewage contamination problems on the formerly pristine Galapagos Islands. Have I seen Chichen Itza? Yes. Am I better for it? Nope. Before you type me a barb, remember I said "most travel" not all travel.
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My homedrome, KBDL, routinely deals with 8"to 12" snowfalls, had 75" in six weeks several years ago; how is it London seems to stop at a few flurries? I was there a couple of winters ago, you could see grass thru the snow cover and people were acting like "Armageddon" had arrived.
Horses for courses, Seat 0A |
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