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AmericanFlyer 1st Oct 2012 13:40

Loose Row of Seats on American Airlines
 
Loose row of seats on American Airlines flights causes emergency landing at JFK - NYPOST.com

hetfield 1st Oct 2012 13:43

"Emergency landing".....

ooha:ugh:

PENKO 1st Oct 2012 13:47

Now if the captain was allowed to bring his multitool on board by security, he might have fixed the problem in two minutes!

broadreach 1st Oct 2012 16:40

Emergency landing?
 
Hetfield, what should it be called? Precautionary sounds a bit tame.

Alex757 1st Oct 2012 17:01

Surely if the PAX stayed sat in them, they wouldn't move anywhere?

How ridiculous!

SeenItAll 1st Oct 2012 17:38

You can't have a large heavy unsecured object (e.g., a bank of seats) in the cabin. The plane hits turbulence, and it will do real damage to surrounding PAX.

hetfield 1st Oct 2012 18:05


Hetfield, what should it be called? Precautionary sounds a bit tame.
What about "Diversion" ?

Avionker 1st Oct 2012 19:29


Surely if the PAX stayed sat in them, they wouldn't move anywhere?

How ridiculous!
Alex 757, if were old enough to work on aircraft you would, I suspect, not make such a ridiculous remark yourself.

The points of contact for a row of seats are extremely small, and the legs are not evenly spaced along the row. The only time the seats are stable is when they are properly secured in the seat tracks..

Bond'll Do 1st Oct 2012 20:55

Yes, had this pre-departure 'fresh' out of the maintenance hangar....oops!!
 
:}

Yep, had this on B-747-136 once. Straight out of the hangar...ready to fly....lol.

In 'E' zone got a call to come and look pre-engine start...sure enough...a whole 3-seat row unbolted to the floor and when pax sat down realised they had more 'recline' than they were used to!

Had to be seen to be believed.

Whole row removed and pax/luggage removed....3 unhappy teddies not going to Miami! ;-) as flight was full.

Old 'Un 1st Oct 2012 22:40


Why didn't they just bolt down the seats again....?
Probably couldn't find a LAME... all been outsourced, y'know.

NSEU 1st Oct 2012 23:04

Mayer added. “It’s a head-scratcher, the first time I’ve heard of it in 24 years with American.”

Seriously?

pjd_012 1st Oct 2012 23:37

Second Case
 
According to CNN

(CNN) -- Seats on two American Airlines jetliners came loose on flights in rare occurrences that prompted the company to inspect eight Boeing planes, the carrier said.
An American spokeswoman confirmed both incidents took place on Saturday and Monday. There were no reports of injuries to passengers on either 757 aircraft.
The first incident occurred on a flight from Boston to Miami that was carrying 175 passengers. It diverted to New York's John F. Kennedy Airport when three seats in Row 12 came loose shortly after takeoff.
A second, similar incident occurred on Monday on a flight from New York to Miami with 154 passengers. It returned to JFK without further incident.

paddybiggles 2nd Oct 2012 00:13

All trails lead to Miami
 
Inspector Cleusot of the Surete would begin his investigations in Miami which of course in the common denominator in both of these outrages.:suspect:

bubbers44 2nd Oct 2012 01:10

It wasn't American's fault because they were outsourcing maintenance so quality of workmanship will always be compromised. They also work on our engines by the way.

It is cheaper in the long run so like some airlines using automation to reduce pilot training costs saves money too unless something happens that required more training than they got. Then it costs a lot more.

Airbubba 2nd Oct 2012 02:12


Inspector Cleusot of the Surete would begin his investigations in Miami which of course in the common denominator in both of these outrages.
In past times of labor unrest in Miami, suspicious maintenance 'failures' have occurred.

Evac slides mysteriously popped at Eastern and wires were cut in the weeks before the IAM strike. Seems like the mechanics were given the day off in the hours before the strike deadline lest they trash the place on the way out.

Of course, maintenance outsourcing in MIA has also had horrific consequences in the Valujet 592 crash.

It will be interesting to see where the investigation leads in these 'unusual' seat incidents.

westhawk 2nd Oct 2012 02:41

I heard the conversation between the aircraft and ATC concerning this incident on the news today. (apparently recorded by that well known ATC internet site) The pilot sounded like he was trying not to seem overly amused by the situation, but without much success! In his position I would have difficulty suppressing my laughter.

Outright sabotage? I doubt it even if such things did happen in the past. But post 9/11? Gitmo anyone? I used to do "outsourced mx" for an airline in one of my previous jobs. Our work was superior to the airline's own work by a wide margin. No. it's just as likely to be just another mx screwup in the fast paced low cost world of the modern airline biz where Kost is King! (spelling deliberate!)

cwatters 2nd Oct 2012 07:27

Boston To Miami American Airlines Flight Diverted Seats Loosen « CBS Boston


The airline announced Monday that eight aircraft will be taken out of service as a result.

infrequentflyer789 2nd Oct 2012 09:29


Originally Posted by bubbers44 (Post 7444183)
It wasn't American's fault because they were outsourcing maintenance so quality of workmanship will always be compromised.

Or maybe not, maybe something more interesting.

Quotes from AA in the news this am.:


American Airlines spokeswoman Mary Frances Fagan said that an initial internal investigation 'indicated that there could be a possible issue with a certain model of seats and how they fit into the tracking used to secure the seats'.

The seats were installed by American Airlines maintenance and maintenance contractors and the issue does not seem to be tied to any one maintenance facility or group, the company said.

brakedwell 2nd Oct 2012 10:00

Obesity fatigue?

SLFguy 2nd Oct 2012 10:45

"Obesity fatigue?"

Fat chance..


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