don't think any of this stuff should be in the public domain.:=

totally agree, the moderators normally kill such posts

Airbubba & FlightCosting...

There is an old saying.... "security by obscurity is not security".

The whole point is that you have a structured, layered system of security, so that compromise of one or two elements of the security (whether because of a human "mole", by description of a security mechanism or otherwise) does not compromise the security of the system as a whole.

Also stop getting your underwear in a twist, because as has already been pointed out, the information has been in the public domain for some time now because the manufacturer wanted to secure a patent.

Erm, so, lockable cockpit doors. Being a natural conspiracy theorist, why did the FO let the deadheading Captain into the Flight Deck if he felt there was something amiss? I think I'd keep the door locked and land it myself once I felt I'd reduced the threat I was facing.

That, to me, probably confirms the pointlessness of lockable cockpit doors.

And I liked the comment above about is the armed pilot program still in place! It is as far as I'm aware; could have been a very different result if he had been.

I await the next knee jerk security overreaction with baited breath.

If people might be interested, the uneventful ATC recording:

Succession of command
 

In my company, the off duty captain would officially become the commander.
That's what our FOM says and it appears absolutely logical to me.

Expect a knee jerk reaction from the FAA.


Test's for sanity may be next.


We will lose a lot of Pilots :eek:

Even if he hasn´t slept and normally drives 737? This was a bus.

Poor system knowledge as there is still a way to override this from the flight deck!

Hahaha, brilliant! :D

Yup, ICAO Sanity Level 6 in our future pilot licenses? :rolleyes:

On a more serious note, is this an isolated case, or are we witnessing the limits of the envelop of how far you can push crews on a long term basis in today's busy environment with outdated duty limitations?

Was it really necessary for me to include in my previous message that obviously it would have to be one of our own company's type rated captains, fit and sober?? :rolleyes: :} :ugh:

Sabenaboy.
Sorry, you´re right. I´m overworked, in a dodgy hotel room and in an unusually bad mood.

But in this particular case it could have been the case...

Btw, I got really sad when I saw the poor chap being wheeled down the stairs, tied to the chair. What a tragedy. He will always be reminded of this on Youtube and everywhere else. Looked like a nice guy...

Cheers...

Copilot gets to log PIC time!
 

Great .. PIC is denied entry back to his FD. He prob thought the FO was Al-Qaeda going to jack the flight, instead PIC ends up assaulted and in straight-jacket. Media get their "splash", we get another nail in our professional coffin.



... standing by for knee-jerk FAA response

Well, according to the BBC, the plane was safely landed by a passenger !... :ugh::ugh:

BBC News - JetBlue flight makes emergency landing in Texas (00:43 onwards)

..albeit an 'off duty pilot' passenger... I'll bet the FO would have a few words to say about that !

Yep the first thing a Captain who is thwarted should do is hammer on the door and start shouting. Couldnt use the interphone huh? We dont know what happened in the flight deck. We dont know how experienced or profesional the FO is. If He/She felt the lives on board were at risk we would want them to act. We dont know anything hard until the report comes out.

I read ANTI Depression pills make some people completely mad...over the counter prescription?wife pills?

"His" flight deck? :confused: Did we not leave this kind of "I'm the Captain so I own this aircraft and you are just here because the regulations say we need a body with a pulse in the right seat"-attitude back in the 1980s...?

With the information available so far, and I repeat - SO FAR, it seems to me that the FO did exactly what he is paid to do, act in the interest of safety of the aircraft, passengers and crew.

CP

To be very honest:

I expect my first officer to lock ME out of the cockpit when I start acting irrationally or in an insane manner. Poor chap. All the best wishes to him.

The comment was made that there's no such thing as hypoxic anemia. That is correct, the proper term is anemic hypoxia. A lack of oxygen can't cause anemia, but anemia can cause a lack of oxygen.

The dictionary definition is below but essentially it is a lack of oxygen flow to the brain caused by a blood disorder (such as anemia) that restricts the blood's ability to carry oxygen.

And.......everyone moves up one seniority number. :D

Doubting is not certainty. I suppose that in order to prevent an errant 'flight deck officer' taking his gun into the cabin it would be on a piece of string not long enough to reach the cabin (sorry can't find an emoticon for light hearted cynicism.) He was evidently very worried by some form of perceived threat, he may have been worried enough to arm himself. I am not at all reassured by your confidence.