What's more, it's allowed! :eek:

FCOM and SOP manual say so. And FR cadets do raw data visuals on line training. Well, I did. :ooh:

John R.
Wrong end of stick, perhaps.
I'll try and put it another way. Army sends patrols out in a Snatch Landrover instead of a Panther or Saxon. Because...
Patrol goes out and does good job. They are professional, and properly trained etc.
So are you supporting the crews, or the company, for the "99%" of the time that it works (given 1000 plus flights a day, I would hope for a better return than that).
I think we're saying the same thing, really.
Good crews + SOP = safe operation ( despite, not because of the task in hand ). Except sometimes the s**t will hit the fan anyway.
If the safety proceedures are not compromised for commercial reasons ( not saying they were here ), that's another barrier in the error chain.

I no longer work for FR, but i have not been gone that long & this has never been the case, As said you must be looking in the wrong manuals, there are some restrictions on visual approaches but nothing to do with LNAV & VNAV (that i recall)?

YYZ

Basically, if there's an FMC approach, LNAV/VNAV, keep it in the background for the m/app. If no FMC approach available, there's a method for creating a track/path for app and m/app, but ultimately it's Captain's discretion. :ok:

Back to the tow bar.
 

Its easy not to see the tow bar after disconnect. At HERG yesterday the tug drove off almost immediately the a/c stopped durring pushback, without the towbar! A small baggage tug appeared & took said bar in opposite direction. When ground staff gave wave off with pin, no tug(s) or towbars to be seen. If your busy monitoring your engine start proceedures & a little baggage truck departs right with tow bar it can be very hard to spot from "the office" even in a 738. You rely on your team, sop's & experience. Often its the experience that is the final saftey net, with sop's giving you a supperb foundation.
Jumbo.

Sorry fellow aviators.. Have been looking in my old FR SOP. You are allowed visual app, but some restriction´s are in force for restricted F/C, and that was what i recalled.

Once again sorry for the misshap guys..:ok: