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Super VC-10 22nd Mar 2011 10:55

Unairworthy Antonov AN-12 crashes in the Republic of the Congo.
 
Antonov An-12 TN-AGK crashed in Pointe Noire, Republic of the Congo yesterday. The aircraft had been listed as unworthy by the ICAO in July 2006. A number of people were killed, including all four crew, five illegal passengers (An-12 banned from use as a passenger aircraft in RoC) and a number on the ground.

ASN Aircraft accident Antonov 12BP TN-AGK ? Pointe Noire Airport (PNR)
Crash: Trans Air Congo AN12 at Pointe-Noire on Mar 21st 2011, impacted houses on landing
Congo Sets up Team to Investigate Plane Crash
Cargo plane crashes in Republic of Congo city, at least 19 dead Breaking News | Wire Update News | News Wires -
AFP: At least 19 dead after plane crashes in Congo city
BBC News - Congo: Cargo plane crashes in Pointe-Noire, killing 16

Piltdown Man 22nd Mar 2011 12:28

How unusual, an aircraft crash in DRC.

wes_wall 22nd Mar 2011 13:42


A TV cameraman who saw the crash was quoted as saying that the pilot had been able to get out of the cockpit before the plane came to a rest
Now, how is that possible?

doubleu-anker 22nd Mar 2011 14:01

How very unusual an un airworthy aircraft flew in the DRC.

GarageYears 22nd Mar 2011 14:53


Quote:
A TV cameraman who saw the crash was quoted as saying that the pilot had been able to get out of the cockpit before the plane came to a rest
Now, how is that possible?
Er, you've seen the pics in the news reports right? There was no cockpit left... I guess that was your point?

JanetFlight 22nd Mar 2011 16:35


How unusual, an aircraft crash in DRC.

How very unusual an un airworthy aircraft flew in the DRC.
AFAIK last time i went to Point Noire was not in the DRC...but world keeps turning:rolleyes:

Gerard13 22nd Mar 2011 16:44

Pictures
 
Pictures of the crash, from a Congolese blog:

Congo : crash d'un avion cargo sur Pointe-Noire | Un Congo dé-chaîné et indépendant

GarageYears 22nd Mar 2011 16:46


Pointe-Noire is the second largest city in the Republic of the Congo
As opposed to the neighboring Democratic Republic of the Congo... I guess the Republic of the Congo is not democratic :uhoh:

Otherwise not much different would be my guess.

oopspff7 22nd Mar 2011 22:31

Video clip on Daily Telegraph website.

Starbear 22nd Mar 2011 22:38

Video Link
 
As oopspff7 says:

Video in Daily Telegraph-UK

widebody69 22nd Mar 2011 23:09

Just goes to show with 'witness statements'. Obviously this witness never saw the crash.

Machinbird 23rd Mar 2011 00:19

Anyone see any exhaust from the Starboard engines?
See how the exhausts from the port engines diverge under the influence of local airflow as the aircraft rolls.

lomapaseo 23rd Mar 2011 02:56

I got to admit I was surprised to see a transport aircraft roll over on its back during approach.

I'll leave it to the aero guys to comment

My inital thoughts are significant asymetrical thrust at too low a speed or;
just too low a speed and a stalled wing,

There might be some clues in these clips

http://fromtheflightdeck.com/MEL/PPRune/Antov.jpg

iceman50 23rd Mar 2011 03:24

Watching the video it looks as though the two starboard props are just windmilling! So a two engine out approach, below Vmca / too much thrust and nowhere to go to get speed?

Super VC-10 23rd Mar 2011 05:42

That sounds at least plausible. Is the An-12 capable of sustaining flight on the port engines only?

lambert 23rd Mar 2011 08:49

On these aircraft, smoke from an engine means it is running, no smoke means it is not!

samusi01 23rd Mar 2011 13:05

If, indeed, it is a strobing effect there may be a significant difference in prop RPM between the port/starboard engines as the strobing would appear to be limited to one side.

Super VC-10 23rd Mar 2011 18:42

In answer to my earlier question, Aviation Herald now saying that the failure of both engines on one side would produce asymmetric thrust in excess of the rudder's ability to counteract it. :(

flysebi 23rd Mar 2011 20:43

I don't exclude that was about an asimetrical engine torque...but it's possible that an aileron was blocked...so that the aircraft rolled over...

lomapaseo 23rd Mar 2011 21:45


In answer to my earlier question, Aviation Herald now saying that the failure of both engines on one side would produce asymmetric thrust in excess of the rudder's ability to counteract it.
That's nothing more than a "would of", could-of" that they probably read here.

Are there any additional facts to support this?


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