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Security
Sacramento-area pilot punished for YouTube video.
An airline pilot is being disciplined by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) for posting video on YouTube pointing out what he believes are serious flaws in airport security. The YouTube videos, posted Nov. 28, show what the pilot calls the irony of flight crews being forced to go through TSA screening while ground crew who service the aircraft are able to access secure areas simply by swiping a card.An airline pilot is being disciplined by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) for posting video on YouTube pointing out what he believes are serious flaws in airport security. The YouTube videos, posted Nov. 28, show what the pilot calls the irony of flight crews being forced to go through TSA screening while ground crew who service the aircraft are able to access secure areas simply by swiping a card. Sacramento-area pilot punished for YouTube video | News10.net | Sacramento, California | Local News |
Well, there ARE very plainly displayed posters and notices at every security checkpoint (and even customs/immigration facilities) that I've gone through in the last several years that expressly prohibit photography. I expect that was also the case here.
So posting a video taken in an area where its prohibited to take one isn't very clever, and is asking for a reaction really. |
Provoking a Reaction
Perhaps that was his intent.
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unfortunately, providing a confidential written report directly, highlighting security failures, gains no response or action.
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anybody have a link to the series of youtube videos, or have they been removed ?
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Video Link
There is some video on the link I posted at the top of the thread. It's on the right side of the page.
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Robert Campbell Video Link -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There is some video on the link I posted at the top of the thread. It's on the right side of the page. |
Videos
The reporter said that the pilot's supervisor asked him to take the videos down.
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Most intelligent US citizens, and BTW there are a few, agree that the whole thing is largely TSA security theater. Yet there is nothing we can do. Our lawmakers lack the testicles to fix it. We can no more put common sense into our system than you British can straighten out LHR. Anyone that's spent any time around airports and aircraft can think of a half-dozen ways evade security. So what the hell do we do?
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funny how a pilot gets screwed for doing something wrong and some guy on WIKILEAKS is a freaking hero to some like that dumb film maker
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I don't know if the pilot identified himself in his vids, didn't watch. He signed legal documents when he was sworn in as a Federal LEO that his status as an armed pilot was not to be revealed to those who have no need to know...... not to mention the same non-disclosure of any security details or procedures either in or out of the c/p.
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Hi,
not to mention the same non-disclosure of any security details or procedures either in or out of the c/p. |
More Video
More from the pilot:
Sacramento's whistleblowing pilot explains why he did it | News10.net | Sacramento, California | News Video choice on right. |
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TSA is a joke
Airport Security: Loaded Gun Slips Past TSA Screeners - ABC News
recent article on airport security and TSA where undercover agents would try and smuggle things through security and succeeded 50 times out of 70 to either smuggle a gun or a bomb part through security. I dont know about you guys that seems like a lot to me. :suspect: sure does make TSA look like a joke I wonder if federal marshal are going to storm ABC news studio and take away their cameras! :} |
And even mythbusters got through .....
LiveLeak.com - Adam Savage goes through TSA security (with two twelve inch long razor blades) |
Mind you they are all very thorough when the search my pensioner wife. :D
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One of the reasons I gave up my career, was because I had no intention of being assaulted every time I went to work. Neither will I support any state, including my own (UK) that utilises private forces that commit assault, sometimes of a serious sexual nature, and that force is not held publicly accountable or their crimes investigated and the guilty being charged and tried. The so called 'War on Terror' has turned us in something that the war was supposed to prevent.
Just out of curiosity, did Adam Savage go on any rampage with his razors? Any disembowelling of crew and pilots during the flight....etc.etc. Thought not. |
spinnaker,
Well said. The points made by others (and myself ) having been removed tells you all you need to know what is happening to the "Land of the Free" :sad: |
glad rag:
The points made by others (and myself ) having been removed tells you all you need to know what is happening to the "Land of the Free" |
He mentions that ground staff just need a swipe card, I have to wonder what vetting ground staff have to go through to get such a swipe card...
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but if the "system" is good enough to 'vet' ground crew, it is surely also good enough to 'vet' aircrew ? Same system, same swipe card ? Why not ?
Ground crew should be more rigorously 'vetted' - after all, they can put the bomb on board without having to travel with it themselves ! It's only about a year ago that LAX discovered that ground crew going to work having parked their cars in the staff car park, then boarded a bus that dropped them off Airside, passing no security check ! even ones who were off duty carrying cabin baggage for the flight they were going to check in for. ( my source ? L.A. Times in 2009 ) |
" but if the "system" is good enough to 'vet' ground crew, it is surely also good enough to 'vet' aircrew ? Same system, same swipe card ? Why not ? "
A great idea....but, here's my questions: Are ground handlers union? If yes, WHAT union? But I'm sure I'm probably just being my usual cynical self! :ugh: "All animals are created equal....but SOME are MORE equal than others...." - George Orwell, "Animal Farm" |
there are experimental places where pilots can swipe a card, so to speak, and get in...
amazing though about the ground pounders. I think it would be cheaper to just have a couple of marines on each plane, with orders to shoot to kill |
Depends on the airline... some ground staff are in unions and some are not.
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Maybe it's because no ground staff were involved in the 9/11 plot, on the other hand...
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What's being a member of a Union got to do with it ?
Are Union members exempt from this nonsense ? It is up to the employer to guarantee that anyone that they give a 'swipe' card to, and therefore Airside access, is indeed a bone fide employee, and they can introduce as many security checks as they like before accepting one for engagement and issue a pass, if the individual, or the Union, don't like it - next please. |
He mentions that ground staff just need a swipe card, I have to wonder what vetting ground staff have to go through to get such a swipe card... but if the "system" is good enough to 'vet' ground crew, it is surely also good enough to 'vet' aircrew ? Same system, same swipe card ? Why not ? I reckon that anybody going airside must go through the same process as the aircrew, not the other way around. |
" What's being a member of a Union got to do with it ? "
It was in reference to the fact that for the past 2 years, unions in America (at least SOME unions) seem to get a 'pass' on just about everything - "but that's not important now".....guess I forgot to hit the 'sarcasm button' on my computer! :E |
Security is a misnomer, there's a (presumably) vetted Security Officer at LHR who's currently working in a name which he created in order to get the job! :ugh:
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Slightly off topic, but on Sky news the other night when talking about snow clearance at LHR, I'm sure it was mentioned that there were 150 contractors brought in to help clear the runway.
Do all these contractors hava an airside security clearance, I wonder? Or maybe when it suits the powers that be, it can all be glossed over. |
NVPilot
Maybe it's because no ground staff were involved in the 9/11 plot, on the other hand... |
At Schiphol (Amsterdam) Airport I saw a checkpoint where ground staff had to run the metal detector before they were allowed outdoors. I think it must be logistically possible to have similar checks in the US. And I think that publicly disclosing security flaws is the only way to get them fixed at "organizations" like the TSA that seem unwilling to handle individual complaints.
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I reckon that anybody going airside must go through the same process as the aircrew, not the other way around. Until there is a will at political level for change, then nothing will change. Aircrew only have themselves to blame for this situation arising. We should be very concerned about these disparities but until all crew members are on a united front little will change. A day of action (or inaction) would force the issue. On a parallel if you told the train drivers and railway signallers that they couldnt take yogurts to work Bob Crowe at the RMT would have called an immediate strike, the network would have ground to a halt and it would have all been sorted within 24 hours! Finally, the western world needs to ask itself the question as to what we are doing (and have done!) to cause "terrorists" to want to put bombs etc on aircraft? |
I am still waiting for a proper security trade-off made by the ones "in charge". What does it cost to catch all those [strike]liquid explosives[/strike] water bottles when the plot (if any) to blow up a plane with a lemonade bottle didn't even get near to an airport. Both the shoe and the underwear bomber didn't achieve more damage to the plane than some scorched carpet. Is there a cost-benefit analysis for passenger scanning?
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Originally Posted by MathFox
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Is there a cost-benefit analysis for passenger scanning?
Political cost of being seen to do nothing: high Political cost of being seen to do something which sounds impressive but is actually ineffectual and eventually fails: much lower, maybe nil if it takes long enough to fail Cost of buying / running acutal scanning measures: nil - pass to passengers Benefit of buying / running scanning: high - big profits for security theatre companies [guess which of the above groups lobbies the politicians ?] Cost of increased security queues: nil (well, for the airport...) Benefit of increase security queues: lots - charge em more for a fast-track queue! Cost of increased check-in to gate time: nil (except for the pax...) Benefit of increased check-in to gate time: lots more time in the shopping mall... ...and so on. |
Flaws in the use of ID swipe cards.
I had one for 12 years - the photo was updated only twice over that period so I didn't resemble the photo at times. I grew a beard but didn't have to have a new photo. I had to start wearing spectacles but didn't need a new photo. You can see where this is going... if someone obtains another persons ID swipe card it wouldn't take much to appear like the small photo on the card. Either that or hold the poor victim's family hostage to make them take something airside. Finally, talking in general about security, ask what B I B means? Sir George Cayley |
fireflybob
Finally, the western world needs to ask itself the question as to what we are doing (and have done!) to cause "terrorists" to want to put bombs etc on aircraft? |
Historically, regimes which start off democratic may become authoritarian by extending the limits of state bureaucracy. This may be manifest in the security apparatus and under the cover of an external (or internal) threat justification.
Our current course may yet result in a victory for the terrorists as the freedom which we cherish and they despise is encroached and progressively dismantled. Al-Qaeda network a failure: US cable - Yahoo!7 And yet the 'war' continues. |
Robert Campbell
It is as you say. The system at SMF is ridiculous. Pilot's are consistently having to find access to the ramp in ways that cause them inconvenience and cost them time. It is this "Card Entry" baloney that is at the heart of the problem. TSA is a cf. bear |
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