How does that follow? The country of departure doesn't care what's in a box, within reason. I can send a box of apples to Oz or NZ tomorrow. It'll certainly leave UK - but it won't get past Ag and Fish at the other end.

Kneejerk reactions begin. Germany has issued NOTAMN stating that no flights dep an airport within the Rep of Yemen are allowed to enter German airspace, neither for overflight or landing.

That will help! :hmm:

Ahem! :rolleyes: :ugh:

And welcome henceforth to my ignore list, btw :cool:

I dont know if it has been posted on here so appologies, but the device was actually uplifted for further investigations by Leics Police air support units EC call sign HX55 before being declared later as explosive
There is even a pic in saturdays Telgraph of it being loaded on board

The implications of that going off on board a confined space like a chopper dont need explantation on here
Surely a foolhardy decission, even if it had been a purely innocent object in the end
What if it had been a concealled chemical aerosol spray, like Sarin that went off 1000 feet over a town en route

Cargo plane bomb plot in pictures - Telegraph

My take, FWIW? Given the loose ends on how the was done, AQ might not have been wanting to bomb the Synagogues as much as was simply testing security and seeing what the response would be like. As it were, this may simply be a prelude to something bigger down the road...

--Bill

Who was the expert from BALPA on the TV/radio Saturday who stated that cargo pilots go through less stringent security procedures than their counterparts who fly pax:ugh::ugh::ugh:

ref Stapleford - we have no idea of the actual timeline so none of us can comment really - for all we know it may have been made safe before it was transported on for further investigation.

what is actually reported/stated isn't necessarily exactly whats going on - for obvious reasons.

What I dont understand Is how do the people who sent these packages know what A/C and route and timings the packages are going to be on its not like you can go to a shipping office and book a box from point A to point B via point C and D so if you wanted to blow up an A/C over a city or even country it would be be quite hard.

So put a counting altimeter switch. Which leg of the trip do you want it to go off?

There are easy solutions for the bad guys, so we need to stop it before it gets in the belly of an aircraft.

Some thoughts -

These terrorists that made these 'bombs' sent off 15 or so of these bombs...they are smart enough to mix up PETN, but none of them actually explode...

Then when they are found, somehow, inside of boxes, inside a printer...the law enforcement in their infinite wisdom, in the interests of tracking down international terrorists...splash all over the news, in detail how the bombs were made, and where they originated..

So anyone in Yemen, has all the time in the world to run off to some other country and not get caught..

Probable? Stupid? Conspiracy? Incompetent?

More and more I wonder if Bin Ladin is on a beach somewhere, beard shaved off, funneling money to the terrorists, with other entities, trying to catch him, hope this party never ends...

The Cold War lasted 50 years...maybe we can drag out this terrorist thing that long as well...get the budgets up...

At the end off the day even if we could have 100% security on all A/C what is the point when anyone could just walk into any London Airport with a bag full of who knows what and kill 100's of people its much easier and cheaper you would still get all the news coverage and cause national panic even more so than blowing up one cargo A/C the problem is until it happens nothing will be done as always.

But you can and it will!

(If cellphone coverage has not been disrupted)

flyingcroc
 

You clearly dont know how cargo ops work many UPS/FEDEX/DHL/TNT parcles are sent by Air with other Air cargo companies and never even get onto a UPS aircraf the same goes for all cargo companies and many packages dont even see a cargo flight they go onto passenger flighs.

Thanks, Saudi Arabia!
 

Saudis provided key intelligence in identifying suspicious packages - CNN.com

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/US/...go.update2.jpg
The circuit board bears similarities to a cell-phone, according to experts.*


Lets see.. they had the TRACKING NUMBERS.. Last time I got a "tracking number" is when I ACTUALLY SENT THE PACKAGE MYSELF.
Why the hell would the tracking number be useful in an operational sense?
To get a reimbursement from payroll?
Generally, as an Al Qaeda operative, I usually take those expenses out of petty cash ahead of time, vs paying 'out of pocket' and sending in receipts.



*No doubt due to it's flimsy construction yet high price and requirement for a 2 year contract, the ability to play games, view video, have sex,blow up aircraft but be very poor for actually making and receiving PHONE CALLS (There's an APP for that!)

Well it does have D321 printed on it (bottom left)
That does help to identify it!
A Duo 321 Dual SIM GSM .... not just the cheapest model!

100g of PETN in a printer.....

You'd be lucky to take me down with that, never mind an aircraft. And if you use lead azide, you would have to be extremely lucky. It's very sensitive, and there is not a cat in hells chance anyone would go that route. You'd have to be very stupid, or very intelligent.

Couriers pick ups or over the counter shipments used to have to be left open for the contents to be checked before being accepted from unknown shippers, but even a quick sweep of the manifest should raise alarm bells, A printer carrtidge Origin:Yemen Destination: Synagogues in Chicago. That wouldn't strike anyone as odd??/!!

It's fair to say this thread is borderline, showing both the best of this site, and the worst.

Conspiracy-theory tinfoil-hat brigade, go elsewhere please. Also those who wish to register to make a post that consists of two words, neither of which make sense even when considered on their own, please follow the person with the tinfoil-hat.

THAT is why it keeps getting banged down to the nether regions of the site, because of the quality, or lack thereof, of the contributions. I'm sticking my neck out against the consensus of the moderators to bring it back up here, for goodness sake don't let me down.

Basically, if you have nothing to say, say nothing. If you want to hang some massive conspiracy on these events, then at least have the decency to wait till there is more information first, and until that occurs go tell it to your budgie. If you put it on here it will be deleted, do it again and you will be banned for wasting our time.

Squid

Instead of imposing further restrictions perhaps someone at UPS / Fedex could come up with a little software program such as ....

IF destination = jewish synagogue
AND sender = yemen OR afghanistan
THEN be VERY suspicious
ELSE be suspicious

I've said it once, and I'll say it again even at the risk of being banned.

There is no way on this planet that 100g of PETN could bring an aircraft down, it's inside a printer cartridge, in a printer, in a container.

As decent an explosive PETN is, I really don't think it would have caused that much damage. (Cue somebody going on about Lockerbie etc).

We've already had the ridiculous liquid rules enforced on us, are we now going to have powder rules?