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Hey!...newboy!...
don't hold back... why don't you tell us what you really think!! |
He's a relative of FlyBoy737800 - or a clone
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Titan
One engine stuck at Idle Power makes it very different from the CX statement that one engine was at Idle Power on landing. So they had duel engine problems. Thank you for the clearification. I knew I was missing something. Great job. :ok: |
The Airbus A330 has LOTS of problems.
" So they had duel engine problems."
The beleaguered Airbus A330 Just has problems generally, lots of em. :mad: |
Yeah right, go to the Fragrant Harbour page and listen to all the CX morons rave on about how superior they are to all the other pilots in the world and that any other airline would have crashed in the same scenario. |
Originally Posted by 404 Titan
There are some extremely lazy posters on this tread who obviously can’t be bothered reading the thread on Fragrant Harbour or going to the Cathay Pacific web site. If you had you would soon realise that the failures didn’t materialise until top of descent into Hong Kong CLK. I can assure you though that no Cathay Pacific pilot would ever fly past a suitable airport in a twin if we had an engine shut down.
A330 Evac CX Press Release Details http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...vacuation.html pprune.org/fragrant-harbour/411928-cx-a330-evacuation.html |
Both engines affected?
We know that one engine was stuck at 70%. But do we know that the other was stuck at sub ildle power as has been suggested on this thread? The Cathay Pacific press release was ambiguous on this point.
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iceman50
I see the TROLL is back. (I'm here all week!) |
I try not to be lazy but obviously the mentioned thread has just vanished ... ? CX A330 evacuation PPRuNe.org/fragrant-harbour/411928-cx-a330-evacuation.html This is indeed very odd. |
I suspect that the thread was removed by the initiator as it had degenerated into a slanging match. :ugh:
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Thank you for copying that over studi as it is the most complete precis of what occurred that I have read. :ok:
The Fragrant Harbour thread was a mess of misinformation, quotes from the South China Morning Post and Cathay press releases combined with the usual to and fro of competing egos that it was impossible to get a clear picture of the event. :mad: |
Eng 1 Stall Ecam Message And Eng 2 Stall Ecam Message, Dual Loss Of Thrust Control
This email arrived from Toulouse, to all operators.
DUAL LOSS OF THRUST CONTROL. FROM : AIRBUS CUSTOMER SERVICES TOULOUSE TO : ALL A330 GE PW RR OPERATORS OPERATORS INFORMATION TELEX - OPERATORS INFORMATION TELEX TO: A330 OPERATORS SUBJECT: ATA 71 - ENG 1 STALL ECAM MESSAGE AND ENG 2 STALL ECAM MESSAGE, DUAL LOSS OF THRUST CONTROL OUR REF: *********, DATED April 16, 2010 CLASSIFICATION: AIRWORTHINESS 1. PURPOSE The purpose of this telex is to report an event of engine 1 ECAM stall message and engine 2 ECAM stall message followed by loss of thrust control on both engines. 2. DESCRIPTION During approach, Eng 1 & 2 Control System faults, Eng 1 Stall and Eng 2 Stall ECAM messages were set. The ECAM Stall message is normally associated with an engine compressor surge. The engines did not respond correctly to throttle commands. Autothrottle was disengaged. At this point engine 1 was operating above idle and engine 2 was operating sub-idle. The crew issued a Mayday emergency call and made an emergency landing during which the engine 1 cowling scraped the runway. Upon landing the fire services attended the aircraft; due to concerns regarding smoke from the wheels and brakes an emergency evacuation of the aircraft was commanded. The event is under investigation by the Hong Kong Civil Aviation Department assisted by the UK Air Accident Investigation Branch (AAIB), the French Air Accident Bureau (BEA), Airbus and Rolls-Royce. 3. ANALYSIS PFR, DAR/DFDR and ACMS report data is being analysed by the investigation team and fuel samples have been sent to the laboratory for analysis. In addition the FMU's will be removed and returned to the Supplier for investigation. The investigation will examine all aspects related to the flight. Based on the current analysis, Airbus and Rolls-Royce consider that, at this stage in the investigation, there is no immediate fleetwide action required. 4. FOLLOW-UP PLAN Airbus will update this OIT when final results from the analysis are available or by end of June 10 at the latest subject to agreement from the investigating authority. |
The Fragrant Harbour thread was a mess of misinformation, quotes from the South China Morning Post and Cathay press releases combined with the usual to and fro of competing egos that it was impossible to get a clear picture of the event. |
No but the CX Company News Bulletin did - finally.
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Thank you for copying that over studi as it is the most complete precis of what occurred that I have read. The Fragrant Harbour thread was a mess of misinformation, quotes from the South China Morning Post and Cathay press releases combined with the usual to and fro of competing egos that it was impossible to get a clear picture of the event. It's not helpful to be redirected away from a docile and informative thread to a slagging match among egos. :hmm: |
Originally Posted by PLovett
I suspect that the thread was removed by the initiator as it had degenerated into a slanging match.
Anyway, to stay with the subject, and as indirectly suggested by the Airbus OIT, it seems logical to suspect that both FMU's found something in the fuel they didn't like. Is there any mechanical part in those units that could have totally seized after 4 hours of this flight ? The Airbus OIT makes absolutely no mention of some kind of ECAM or parameters fluctuations during the early part of the CRZ phase (?) ... but the message addressed to the CX Airbus Cockpit Crews does. Knowing what we know now, this can be a lesson for next time an engine tries to give early signs even if it's nothing more than the boring ENG MINOR FAULT ECAM MSG. |
Anyway, to stay with the subject, and as indirectly suggested by the Airbus OIT, it seems logical to suspect that both FMU's found something in the fuel they didn't like. Is there any mechanical part in those units that could have totally seized after 4 hours of this flight ? I'm anxious to follow the factual releases on this incident from RR and Airbus. |
Quote: 'FMU's found something in the fuel they didn't like'
If this is the case, LASAP with an Engine flactuating on a two eng op would be best, I think. I guess thats why we have ETOPS. :bored: |
Can an Airbus pilot confirm how its possible to flare and land an A330 @230kt with an engine jammed @ 70% and one at idle without digging a awfully big hole in the runway or floating down the length of the runway available, if im even15 knots over in a small single the aircraft floats for an eternity how is it possible ?
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I think the rotor heads call it...
a "run-on landing". You land and then run on for awhile.
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