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Emergency landing Cathay A330-300

Old 13th Apr 2010, 13:55
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Emergency landing Cathay A330-300

I read on a dutch aviation news site (www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl) that an airbus of Cathay made an emergency landing inbound from Surubaya at hong kong airport and some pax were wounded.. any info? the info on the site was very minimum.
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Old 13th Apr 2010, 14:20
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Cathay plane makes emergency landing in Hong Kong

"It appeared there were some engine problems that the aircraft experienced on (landing
A lot of hits on google
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Old 13th Apr 2010, 14:37
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Mannen jullie lopen vreselijk achter de feiten aan , kijk eens wat verder , fragrant harbour , zoek funktie misschien !

In english , just told the dutch 'aviators' to look around and use the search function !
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Old 13th Apr 2010, 15:08
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Go to the "Fragrant Harbour" page for more details

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Old 13th Apr 2010, 15:47
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No. Dont go to the Fragrant Harbour page!

Did I go to the "Beiruit Beach" page or the "Polish Gossip" page recently?

This is global aviation news and nobody should need to scroll past "Aviation Food Providers"( no disrespect meant) to view news of this incident.

Post here or mods sort this out please.

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Old 13th Apr 2010, 15:57
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Major

By all accounts this is another major incident which will give people from Toulouse and Derby lots of investigative work to do.
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Old 13th Apr 2010, 16:52
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Latest from Fragrant Harbour page:

"From a very credible source:

A330 under question is B-HLL, Rolls Royce Engines.
Eng failure 10 min before landing in HKG. Other engine "stuck" at 70% N1 with no response from THR levers, subsequently shut down on final approach as per QRH.

High landing speed, use of parking brake resulting in brakes overheat, tyre burst and fire.

RAT (Ram Air Turbine) NOT deployed."

Got to say that I agree with SSS; this is a major incident; "double engine failure" definitely comes under the heading of "bad things" in the QRH, so it should be on the front page.
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Old 13th Apr 2010, 17:01
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You can see the RAT deployed on the news pics. Apparently it was done manually.
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Old 13th Apr 2010, 19:50
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Engine Roll Back!!! fancy term

This has happened now to a few Airbus with RR engines, even on Go Around in MAN with a middles east airline!

Engine Roll back is a fancy way of saying they stopped working when they should've been working!
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Old 13th Apr 2010, 23:10
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jetjock330.....one engine was inop, we do not know the reason for this yet. The other engine was running. There have been no reports of a thrust "roll-back" from Cathay or any other source. A roll-back is failure to deliver the commanded power, it is not a shut down.

Let the engineering teams do the investigation work before jumping to conclusions.
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Old 14th Apr 2010, 02:00
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....one engine was inop,.. The other engine was running...
Not according to this Equally interesting (to me) is that they lost the first engine shortly after departure yet elected to continue a 4 1/2 hour flight on the remaining one
...The two pilots, both Australian, lost the use of the left hand engine shortly after the Cathay Pacific flight CX780 from Indonesia reached cruising altitude after taking off for the four hour 40 minute flight...
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Old 14th Apr 2010, 03:07
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Originally Posted by gwillie
Equally interesting (to me) is that they lost the first engine shortly after departure yet elected to continue a 4 1/2 hour flight on the remaining one
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...The two pilots, both Australian, lost the use of the left hand engine shortly after the Cathay Pacific flight CX780 from Indonesia reached cruising altitude after taking off for the four hour 40 minute flight...
Failure of one engine on a 4hr+ flight is, all other conditions being normal, a "landing at the nearest suitable airport" and not necessarily a cause for a turn-back or immediate diversion.

An airline's definition of "suitable" would vary with their OpsSpec Manual but would include such basic considerations as the available IFR approaches, runways, ATC facilities, appropriate maintenance facilities and CFR facilities and other considerations such as appropriate jetways or other means to deplane passengers, ground support equipment (electrical/pneumatic), appropriate tow-bar and tractor for push-back, company personnel, customs (where needed) and communications facilities for flight planning.

Not all of these would be available at every airport of course and circumstances vary so it is, as always, the captain's decision and responsibility to manage available resources in coordination with his or her First Officer, in-flight service people, (for duty day issues), the airline's flight dispatch, maintenance and customer service people.

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Old 14th Apr 2010, 03:38
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See PPRuNe's fragrant harbour forum thread for specific details on this incident as well as the latest updates:

http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...vacuation.html
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Old 14th Apr 2010, 04:46
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There has to be some mistake about flying on 1 engine from TOC to HK , there are plenty of suitable airports on the way , especially Singapore with multiple runways , and KL too.
I expect when the dust settles we will find that the engine problems occurred later in the flight .Otherwise there will be some explaining to do.
Anyway , well done for achieving the runway guys , and best wishes to anybody injured , get well soon.
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Old 14th Apr 2010, 05:01
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I cannot believe for a moment this crew would continue on with one engine after losing one / shutting one down shortly after take off on a 4 hour flight.




The facts will come out.

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Old 14th Apr 2010, 06:12
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amazing job by the Pilots from what I have read.

One question, this would appear to be similar to the BA038 incident, maybe the same engines ( I am unsure but believe both RR Trents ) and similar reported engine problems at a similar stage of flight.

My ignorance or potential connection?
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Old 14th Apr 2010, 07:04
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Apparently only hong kong is considered a suitable airport for CX. WSSS and WMKK are not good enough for some reason.
These guys have shown some serious flying abilities during the last part of the flight. They might not have gotten in those circumstances if they landed at a nearest suitable airport three hours earlier???
Going to be an interesting one, this incident...
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Old 14th Apr 2010, 08:13
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quote "Apparently only hong kong is considered a suitable airport for CX. WSSS and WMKK are not good enough for some reason."

I is not often I am shocked at the stupidity shown on these forums by some of the posters. I work for cx and can catagorically state this is pure b.s.
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Old 14th Apr 2010, 08:20
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Apparently only hong kong is considered a suitable airport for CX. WSSS and WMKK are not good enough for some reason.
Neither are anywhere near the Surabaya to HK track.
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Old 14th Apr 2010, 08:30
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If both engines failed no antiskid

If both engines were failed as some camments say, then the Emer Gen would be powered by the RAT, and therefore no antiskid to the brakes, so having tires go flat would not be surpirsing. All still speculation at this point.
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