OZDUDE,

Go straight to the top of the class! :cool: I feel quite ashamed of my inadequate prose having read yours. :o If friend FLAME now understands plain English, you have achieved a task of Herculean proportions.

BTW, can any one canfirm that STN based cabin crew, Brian Dowling (Big Brother) was threatened with the sack if stayed in the Big Brother house. Bilko only relented when he saw a chance of some cheap publicity. Sounds normal......

Seems like 'FLAME's' pilot light has gone out!
Maybe he needs a penny for the meter! :p

Have heard a rumour that a chair went flying out the window of The White House recently in rage when word got back that some of the newer Russian drivers were not really able to speak English very well! Petulance, or what?

The point I'm trying to make is that if this is a bulletin board for professional pilots that is run for the benefit of professional pilots worldwide I don't see any reason to advertise a company on the site which has obviously an agenda bigger than the welfare of its employees...
General opinion is that FR made a huge mistake over Martin Duffy and set a dangerous precedent for every other pilot working there. The fact then that a website run by pilots (etc) for pilots (etc) gives time and space to them smacks in the face of what 99.9999999% of pilots wish.
The message is "Thanks but no thanks. We have pilots' best interests at heart."
Unlike some.

This sacking issue is a huge affair. Ryanair have not gone against just a one off sort of event, but standard industry practice. Landing with the gear down is standard industry practice! No normal disciplinary channels followed, no investigation to the circumstances et al. So everyone else in Ryanair has the sword of Damocles hanging over them? No? So what is the real issue here. It's been covered already. MOL does not want union interference, so here we are today. Put yourself in his shoes..if this was your own company this happened in you'd be up in arms! This could set a precedent industry wide (highly unlikely I know) so you have to protect your job. I hope everyone in Ryanair stands up to this dreadful treatment so it can be run like an airline and not a pilots' farm.

OzDude;

Superb posting, and I bow to your letter writing

I need a little time to get back to you on it, but I am sure that the snipers on the list are just waiting for me to stick my head again out of the trench. As an informative post, its the best I read yet

Watch this space

Tom the Tenor
Heard it too. But why should that be news? Fr have had pilots who couldnt speak the queen's english ever since they had Rumanian pilots on their 1-11s. Bet it's interesting when the sh*t hits the fan and the co-pilot can't communicate with the captain.

Gentlemen,

This thread is an excellent example of how the skim-readers amongst us can infuriate the majority.
Flame, give yourself half an hour and a large cup of coffee and read ALL of this thread and you will see why you refer to snipers. They are merely resorting to abuse because you have not listened.
Good Luck - All at RYANAIR, I hope the tyranny dissipates soon. Your BALPA colleagues are watching with interest.

To Ozdude

you are fundamentally wrong, just look at the facts-

-if the whole crew as you claim had to position to Stansted (ie all 5) how come the 3 cabin crew went on the positioning flight (and left one empty seat in the cabin) and operated their rostered flights out of Stansted?

- what captain and f/o do you think ultimatly operated the flights out of Stansted that were not crewed because of the positioning captains refusal to position from Dublin to Stansted in a jump seat? Answer-not penny pinching but a Stansted captain and an f/o called in on their days off @ £200 each + flight pay.

- look at the original company notice at the start of this thread, which states "the captain was instructed by operations to position on the jump seat, he refused and was therefore off-loaded from the flight"-so, it had nothing to do with the number of seats- just simple refusal to carry out duties

- your reference to alleged conversations between Ops and the captain in question is pure speculation.......but the cabin crew seem to have shown better judgement apparently without any reference to anyone- don't you agree?

Flame- this might stop your lights going out

Honest Joe,I really feel sorry for you,but there is help out there. :D

Honest Joe, it would be interesting to know what reasons were given to the STD Captain for bringing hiim/her in on their day off!.

£200 quid each huh?
Cheap at the price eh? I should think old Nasty Mick was rubbing his hands with glee.

Every man has his price they say, but 200 squids seems surprisingly little for selling out your colleagues.
Well done guys, hope you enjoyed the blood money. :(

Honest Joe,

Your opinion is from the 'other side', be it Ops, Management or you being MOL himself. What can we, the Professional Pilots, make of this new slant?

My take on this is that should your version be true then why is it the Captain who is asked to stay behind?

• Are Cabin Crew paid more for Overtime?
• Did the Captain have a few more minutes spare before he ran out of duty?
• Or did operations want to screw him about with another night away from base rather than the C/C?
• Did the Captain believe he was making a better decision than what the monkeys in Crew Control were asking him? (Not all in rostering eat peanuts but Ryanair are known to pay them)

Your opinion is very valid, Honest Joe but it doesn't alter the fact that the decision by MOL was extreme, ulterior in motive and political. It will, even if your story is true, be a fair case for wrongful dismissal. MOL benefits from modern European open skies laws, he shall now suffer at the hands of its modern Employment Laws too.

I would just like to add that in most good companies a postioning crews ticket is generally of a higher priority than that of a full fare paying pax. As Ozdude touched on, this is to protect a service "down the line" - better to offload a couple of pax than delay or cancel a whole 'plane load.

CaptSensible : I reckon that that is a low shot unless you know that the crew being called out knew the reasons why!

Due to the number of replies this topic now has to be closed. Please feel free to start a Mk II version.