United GRU-ORD Divert to MIA to Offload Purser
 

Yet another test of the 'modern' view of captain's authority?

United flight diverts after captain and flight attendant argue

Avionews

Where's the problem here?....

Did he say there was a problem?

Sounds like Rumour or News to me..or does this sort of thing happen every day?

Second time today.

United GRU-ORD Divert to MIA to Offload Purser
 

Since it appears like there are no open threads on this subject, here's as new one...

Picked up this on another forum:

A longhaul divert due to crew issues is extremely rare in my experience.

Over a decade ago a Delta MD-11 flightcrew on an Atlanta-Seoul flight diverted to Portland, Oregon after deciding that they were 'fatigued'. The union and the company were battling over crew rest facilities and the pilots had a little tent that they pitched in front of the pax to sleep in. As I recall, the captain was near retirement and the matter was handled administratively. If there are any RD's left here they may have more insight.

I've heard of a flight attendant being offloaded at an outstation for failing to properly greet the captain when he boarded 'his' aircraft. It was in the Middle East and egos tend to be ramped up a little there from what I've seen. However, I can't think of another divert caused by such authority issues.

We gave away the respect
 

We gave away the respect
You never notice the most of the time many cabin crew, ground crew and the ticket counters are wearing the same uniform of the pilots with epaulets? .
So many times , never the less I am Captain, I get confuse to who is who..
in any case we as pilots should start to respect our self first of all and than pretend respect from others .
Lets do not be ashamed to be called Captain if we have that title.
Lets do not remove our epaulets from our pilot shirt immediately after landing just because we do not wanna appears like superiors to others.
Lets pretend to be treated with respect in any way .
It start within our self.
If a pilot ground an airplane we shall not fly the same airplane just because we wanna show that we are better than others .
If an air company do not treat pilots with respect we should burn the ground around them let their airplane sit on the ground and see how they are going to change attitude.
Do not allow some HR,PR, that do not even know what is an airplane to decide if you are a pilot that fit for their company or not.
See how different the aviation world will be.
Riccardo Volante

"We gave away the respect
You never notice the most of the time many cabin crew, ground crew and the ticket counters are wearing the same uniform of the pilots with epaulets? .
So many times , never the less I am Captain, I get confuse to who is who..
in any case we as pilots should start to respect our self first of all and than pretend respect from others .
Lets do not be ashamed to be called Captain if we have that title.
Lets do not remove our epaulets from our pilot shirt immediately after landing just because we do not wanna appears like superiors to others.
Lets pretend to be treated with respect in any way .
It start within our self.
If a pilot ground an airplane we shall not fly the same airplane just because we wanna show that we are better than others .
If an air company do not treat pilots with respect we should burn the ground around them let their airplane sit on the ground and see how they are going to change attitude.
Do not allow some HR,PR, that do not even know what is an airplane to decide if you are a pilot that fit for their company or not.
See how different the aviation world will be."


Did you even read the last paragraph in post #5 :rolleyes:

Captain his a captain
 

Captain his a captain .Many country around the world as issue for ATPL licensing without citizenship due to the legal power of the Captains.
If hierarchy is an issue well may be the job is not the right one for some people.
R.V.

Captain
 

There is only one person, that is responsible for ALL, The CAPTAIN, I have seen it many times, Thanks to the Captain to get the argumentive person of the flight, he /she was most likely not doing a good job for the company. And if there is any punitive action against the Captain. We should all stand in for the Captain's the right to control the operation in a professional manner. How about once and for all a stand down to get this industry back on track. World Wide!!!!:)

Am I seeing a different story? I must be. :ugh:

.....well I was always told that respect is something you earn by the example you set - it rarely comes in a box with a set of stripes.....

....now something about this tells me that the problem seems to lie in the left hand seat here. Would a seemingly trivial altercation with a Purser over a Gen Dec be reason to divert an aircraft? No suggestion that the Purser had turned violent. Maybe a quiet chat on the Jetway might have been more appropriate.:hmm:

...anyway, where is 414A when you need some forthright opinion on Captaincy styles?:}

My reading of it is the captain didn't care to wait for the purser to round up whatever resource needed (someone to monitor the area?) to shove the piece of paper through the door. Instead he chose to blow his top over a trifle. Glad I wasn't on that plane.

Well, if a Captain isn't happy with the Purser, he/she can release her/him of all flight duties anytime.

If this would justify a diversion....

To me - no.

Everyone pass their CRM course?:eek:

youll find it was 411A

As part of our document checks before departure either to or from the US, we need to see the General Declaration to ensure that is correct. After reviewing the document, I sign it and give it back to the Senior Cabin Crewmember so she/he can hand it over to the ground handler upon arrival.

As for the behavior of this captain, on the surface, it appears that all his oars were definitely not in the water.

I can't believe that anyone would divert a flight, especially and international flight, becuase a request was not complied with. I can't wait to hear the true spin on this event.

Respect for Captain ?

747 Freighter Captain offered a choice of crew meal for the next day, chose not to have crew menu as offered, could he please just have a roast beef sandwich ? No problem he was told.

Next day despatcher telephoned by ATC and asked status of freighter ? Gone said despatcher, departed about 30 mins ago. No said tower, still on the ramp. Despatcher attended aircraft, plugged in a headset and talked to crew, gotta problem ? Yes said the Captain, I haven't got my roast beef sandwich !

True story, many, many years ago.

Why would a bothered cpt depart and divert when the gen dec signature shall happen before departure? There seems to be another story here.

Maybe a case of the straw and the camels back ?

Something started between them earlier in the trip and then niggle, niggle, niggle, pause, explode .........:eek:

I recognise the pattern from when I am not on good diplomatic relations with Mrs Mac and she wants to wind me up, she lights the blue touch paper and then stands back all innocent when the explosion happens.

Just a thought..