Stansted Swiss engine fire
 

Aircraft due 0705 engine fire and loss of 3 engines airport fire crews and local fire crews waiting

Flight landed safe no evacuation a/c looked like 146 hard to see in the fog fire crews escorted a/c to stand

Birdstrike out of LCY, 1 engine shut down I guess due to vibration, diverted to STN. LCY shut 30mins to clear debris from runway.

No big drama.

Re Stansted Emergency.

They surely mean No 3 Engine not 3 engines ?

I assume if was Swiss it was a 146 ?

I dont think a 146 could fly on 1 Engine.

Anyhow its on the ground everbody safe thats all that matters



Regards

3 engines out ?!?!!?

The 146 just about flies with 4 engines running ...

Was the bird strike from behind by any chance ?

Seems to be

09:10 LX 463 LONDON City Airport 2 annulliert

It can, as long as it's not going slow when you lose the 3.

Seem to remember some years ago a 32 Sqn had the oil inspection plugs (not sure of technical term sure someone will come up with it) wrongly installed without seals after the oil samples were taken.

Took off from Northolt and then progressively lost the engines one by one till they landed in Stansted on the last one which stopped shortly thereafter.

It was empty though and therefore fairly light, on the other side of the equation I seem to remember it was an IMC day with an instrument approach in IMC required with a deteriorating power state. The crew were given awards for the safe recovery of the aircraft.............and themselves ;)

The crew themselves probably had another reason..., or does it have ejection seats?

1 engine out on a 146 is no problem. Just an inconvenience. We can even do a CAT IIIB autoland on 3 engines!

It still flies really well on 2 engines.

Sounds about right doesn't it??

Atreyu:ok:

And meanwhile in the real world...
They reported having lost number 4 engine and sustained some damage to number 3 following a birdstrike. They carried out the fire drill on number 4 as passengers had reported seeing fire. No fire damage apparent though - the inference being that it was done as a precaution.
The flight landed safely on 22. Fire crews asked if there was fire and the flight crew responded that there wasn't and happy to taxy.

Yep, what D O Guerrero just said.

We thought we had problems with our operations department.

Well done to the RJ crew for a safe diversion.

Saw the incident from my lounge window...I live next to the airport.

Engine fire occurred on take-off (take off to the east) circa 6:45am, heard the bang and looked.

Saw the flames but was extinguished quickly. Immediately noticed that climb angle was allot shallower than usual (I bet the bridge seemed close that time...)

Airplane quickly left field of view.

Surprised not on BBC or ar at least Sky News!

Give it time my friend, give it time.

Depends - it was pretty upsetting for the bird....

ALTFLAPS.........explain "bird trike from behind ?? plenty of damage to the fan blades, wont be going far any time soon

I think he means that the 146 is so slow that the birds probably hit the aircraft rather than the aircraft hitting the birds!!!
LOL:ok:

Thanks WGA, thought that was it, but didnt know if he was one of those watchin thru the fence haha

will take a while to repair i guess, shipping an engine from chocco land, is inflite doing the repairs or will a repair team go out?

1 day for the engine change then out on the piss in stortford for the lads if they make it over here.

getting to stansted from lcy or lhr is a pain though

Bring Another engine
 

PSA, Pacific Southwest Airlines, with a fleet of 24 BAe 146-200, became so adept at changing engines they could do it in 45 minutes. The had #4 aft section explode one night, sending shrapnel into the full cabin, without hitting anybody. Pax were kicking the hot pieces around as the pieces were scorching the carpet.

In about 1996, Aviacsa, out of Merida, Yucatan, Mexico, had #3 explode. Shrapnel from it killed #4, which cut off fuel to #1 & #2. They landed deadstick at night at Campeche, which has no airline service.

This Lycoming engine started life as a tank or marine engine, was upgraded to helicopter service, then converted to the ALF-502 for use on the Canadair Challenger and the BAe.

It has just one accessory pad, so two engines on the 146 have generators, and the other two have hyd pumps. Part of the drawback, I understand, is the shared oil supply between the engine and accessory case. Contamination of one damages the other. It's like having the engine and automatic transmission in your car share a common oil supply. I don't believe that's been done since the Model T Ford ended production in 1927.

There was one of the heli versions for sale on ebay recently, coupled to a hydrostatic transmission and sporting a Ford Model T body. The guy had never driven it, so it was a rolling science project.

GB

Bird strike from behind?
 

Does the 146 have de-icing equipment on the trailing edges for the fast moving cold fronts? I used to fly a Cessna slowtation. The US navy at one point ordered 50 of them, then had to cancel the order since the plane was unable to catch the aircraft carrier.

Heard from Inflight yesterday and the Swiss RJ will require two new engines.

45 mins engine change... yeah right, in what dream world! :ugh:

not a chance to change it in 45 mins, average time is 2.5- 3 hours with a good team.

so 2 engines needed - bird strike in both or is is a case of another IXU "lightning strike" ? cough cough:}

AltFlaps / Post #5

That has made me laugh! :)

And, 45 mins for a complete ALF502 change would be pushing it.

BAe146??? :{

Graybeard 23

Not so

The BMC/BL Mini circa 1960 with auto transmission had the same design flaw ...

CW

And the manual mini shared engine and gearbox oil as well, not just the automatic. Saved space under the bonnet.

Two of our staff were on the flight going to Cameroon via Zurich. Reckon it was well handled and ground staff were fairly amazing - nothing too much trouble. They were offered cars home and back next day or the offer of the next flight to Zurich and overnight accommodation. Refreshing change.

P

Billysmart, you heard of the M11? LCY-STN 30 minutes, or 20 in a company van!

5th engine
 

Hey, everyone forgot about the APU, that must put out at least half a horsepower through the exhaust (half a horsepower = 1 ponypower ? ;) )

146 = 5 APU's in close formation ;)
there's nothing to replace it though & it's good ol' ship in my book plus it's British :ok::D:D they don't build em' like that anymore

Quote: "The 146 just about flies with 4 engines running ..."
As an ex-146 driver, I have to agree. Embarrassing climb performance when hot and heavy.

But.....in the rare event of an engine out landing away from main servicing base, at light weight, it could be ferried with three engines. Now of course, with a twin, you can’t ferry with one engine already out of action. So don’t laugh TOO much about the 146. It has its good points.

Jack

No space for more engines
 

Back in the pterodactyl days, making my first flight as non-Rev SLF on a 146 between LHR and EDI I asked the flight crew : "Why the heck does this thing have four engines?' The reply I got was: "Because the wings don't have room for a fifth and sixth one."

Since then I have been very leery of this aircraft.

Yet another 146 Emergenecy at STN
 

Tonight 03/11/09 at about 1740 fire crews attending yet another
146 at STN this time sporting BA colours take it yet another LCY diversion.

Reason for diversion/Emergency unknown, any ideas :confused:.

Was on a turnaround in STN today as the aircraft was landing. THe crew stated that they had an anomalous indication regarding the position of the nose wheel. Aircraft landed without incident. Listening to crew on the tower frequency, all very calm and collected.

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Thanx for the photos

Can I assume that they took a 4 lb bird at idle conditions?

I think it was several birds as the pictures are of the No 3 and No 4 engine.

As it was just after t/o, I think it is safe to assume they were both a tad above idle.

Fair play to the crew for dealing with a tricky situation.:ok:

A friend of mine has about 5000 hours on the 146. 4500 of them are in the climb :}

Given that it had a double engine bird strike, resulting in the loss of one engine completely and presumably less than optimal thrust in the second and still managed to climb out and land safely at STN, I would have thought the climb performance could be described as 'adequate'.

It would be interesting to consider how an E Jet would have coped in a similar situation.

'I'am going for the Thames' :uhoh: