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ashland 23rd Oct 2009 18:55

Engine out on Iceland Express charter aircraft, landing at Gatwick
 
Have you guys more info on this, the article in Icelandic media does not say
name of operator nor type of aircraft, just that it was a charter aircraft flying
from Alicante to Keflavik, Iceland, and had an engine shutdown or failure and
had to land at Gatwick. Newsclip does however say that it was not their aircraft,
as if they ever had one, and that the company would not do business with this
company again, lots of cudos from pax after IEX reception in KEF with vouchers for
free travel from iceland Express etc:

Vísir - Şurfti ağ lenda vegna bilunar í hreyfli

and

Vísir - Farşegi á Gatwick: Flugfreyjunum var brugğiğ

A delay of 4 hours until a new aircraft was available, probably from AEU
based at Gatwick.

RingwaySam 23rd Oct 2009 19:33

According to the avhearld it was G-STRW:

Incident: Astraeus B752 near Brest on Oct 23rd 2009, engine failure

757_Driver 23rd Oct 2009 19:42

well I can't comment on the newspaper article as I don't speak Icelandic. However all iceland express aircraft are operated by AEU on the AEU AOC, so I suspect they will be using AEU aircraft again, just like they were this morning and will be tomorrow.

There is alot of politics in iceland between IEX and Icelandair, the latter not liking their toes being trodden on, so perhaps there is some underlying stirring going on here

k88 23rd Oct 2009 20:38

I don't speak Icelandic either, but if you follow the link to the article, and use Google translate - it appears to say-
"Matthias said he does not expect the same engine would be used again in the charter by the airline."
(As opposed to referring to using the actual Airline.)

sunnybunny 24th Oct 2009 14:04

"Matthias said he does not expect the same engine would be used again in the charter by the airline."


Just out of curiosity, what happens to failed engines and where is a replacement obtained from.

Are they repaired and fitted back onto aircraft in a fleet assuming they do their own maintenance? Do big airlines have spare engines lying around?

Is there a second hand reconditioned engine market with hangers full of spare engines.

TeachMe 24th Oct 2009 14:34

Hate to be mean but even this lowly SLF knows that that answer about reusing an engine depends fully on the nature of the failure! Blow an oil pipe, fix it, shatter a disc, no engine left to repair!

Please consider your question a bit more before posting as we need to keep our already low image as good as possible on this site. :(

OD100 24th Oct 2009 14:45

Depends upon why the engine failed. Most large outfits have spares. Weather or not the engine is repaired in-house also depends on who owns the engine, if the engine is on a maintenance plan, etc...

Many large outfits lease the engines and pay a flat-rate by the hour for a maintenance plan.

If an operator experiences an un-contained catastrophic failure, then you can expect the engine to go back to the manufacture for analysis.

11Fan 24th Oct 2009 16:25

Sunnybunny, the following response are "typical"


Just out of curiosity, what happens to failed engines and where is a replacement obtained from.
Depends on the nature of the failure. More often than not, a repair is made and the engine is rotated back into service. Many airlines have replacement engines in inventory (coming out of above mentioned repair) or access to replacement engines in arrangements with engine manufacturers or maintenance providers


Are they repaired and fitted back onto aircraft in a fleet assuming they do their own maintenance? Do big airlines have spare engines lying around?.
Yes, as a rule, but not necessarily right away, even if someone else is doing their maintenance. Also, the same engine does not have to back on the same airplane. They move around quite a bit. That way, you can put the airplane back into service. No point waiting around for an engine, eh? We got a beauty right over here for ya Governor. ;);)


Is there a second hand reconditioned engine market with hangers full of spare engines.
Full, no, but there are lot of aircraft in the Southwestern USA desert. That said, engines are available. I wouldn't say there's hangars full of them, but they are available. The usual headache is if the aircraft is not at its home (maintenance) base. Then they have to get one to the aircraft.

Otherwise, it's really not that big of a deal. Really.


Oh, and Teachme, My God, learn some manners. :=

jammydonut 24th Oct 2009 16:47

Remember the days when Laker, Virgin, carried a wing mounted 5th spare engine incase of repairs down the route

11Fan 24th Oct 2009 17:10


Remember the days when Laker, Virgin, carried a wing mounted 5th spare engine incase of repairs down the route
Actually, no, can't say I do. It's been done, but not as a matter of routine, to my knowledge, but what do I know.

JW411 24th Oct 2009 18:01

"Remember the days when Laker, Virgin, carried a wing mounted 5th spare engine incase of repairs down the route".

So are you suggesting that Laker routinely carried a spare 5th engine in case of "problems down the route"? In that case, I would like to know what you are on for I think your memory is somewhat defective.

The only four-engine aeroplanes that Laker ever operated were a couple of Britannia 102s, two Boeing 707-138s (ex-QANTAS and Eagle)and two Boeing 707-351s (ex-Northwest Orient and Cathay). The Britannia was not capable of carrying an extra engine except inside and I do not ever recall seeing one of the 707s ever carrying a spare engine.

Mind you, I was only a DC-10 captain with Laker and we would have been sorely pushed to have carried a 5th engine!

11Fan 24th Oct 2009 20:45

Pleased to meet you JW. Thanks to Sir Freddie, the 10 lived on after a couple of bad days.

MDC guy

cessna24 24th Oct 2009 23:11

I have seen pictures on A.net of a B747 carrying a spare inboard of the No2 Eng. But I think it was a Boeing Company aircraft, not a Commercial airliner.
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../4/0289429.jpg
Actually, its a Qantas. Look just forward of the exhaust cone on Eng 2

Mr Angry from Purley 25th Oct 2009 01:23

JW
Went on a DC10 to Jeddah on the Haj with a spare engine but that's about the only time :\

Fenders 25th Oct 2009 19:44

Remember on several occasions seeing a WardAir B747 carrying a 5th engine when operating into/out of Gatwick many moons ago.

Bigt 25th Oct 2009 20:24

I think airlines dont move engines around so much as they did....mainly because they are more reliable now.

Would I be correct is saying that the Ward Air 747 may have been moving an engine for another carrier. Not sure if all 747s had the wing mounting points to do this

The Real Slim Shady 25th Oct 2009 21:11

Why does a 747 have 4 engines?

There isn't space for 5 and 6!

ficrew 26th Oct 2009 00:38

Wow. You guys know how to drown out a thread. Did any of you read the question that the guy was asking about who started this thread?
Do you know anything about it? No? Then why write something. To many times have I seen threads go so off the point that it just makes reading them boring and tiring.
Hey maybe the Northwest guys where reading some of these posts enroute to MSP....

StallBoy 26th Oct 2009 05:43

If you had five engines on a 747 wouldn't it fly around in circles??:confused:

11Fan 26th Oct 2009 05:49


Wow. You guys know how to drown out a thread. Did any of you read the question that the guy was asking about who started this thread?
Do you know anything about it? No? Then why write something. To many times have I seen threads go so off the point that it just makes reading them boring and tiring.
You were saying? :suspect:

Other than your "reference" to the OP, you added nothing yourself. There's other things to do if we're boring you.


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