Flybe Dash emergency at LGW?
 

Friend on the ground at LGW has reported that a Dash just landed is surrounded by emergency vehicles on the runway. Pax and crew yet to evacuate.

Probably a non-event so feel free to flame / delete as appropriate.

Smoke filled cabin on finals, full evac on the runway, stacked n packed for up to one hour ive been told

Just announced on Sky. More to follow.

Sky news link. Suggests the entire airport has been closed? :bored:

Gatwick Runway open, Now landing 26L.

Paris CDG (LFPG) to Cardiff (EGFF) BEE143G

G-JECL

Flybe issued these sage-like words, so obviously a good job done by the crew::D


Flybe can confirm that Flight BE1432 flying from Paris Charles de Gaulle to Cardiff was diverted into London Gatwick landing at 1226 local time.

The priority landing, at which emergency vehicles were deployed by the airport as a precautionary measure, followed a suspected technical fault.

All 46 passengers disembarked safely and without incident and will be re-accommodated at the earliest possible opportunity.

The safety of its passengers and crew is Flybe’s number one priority.

"Flybe issued these sage-like words, so obviously a good job done by the crew:":D
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Have just heard a passenger give his account of the incident on Sky news....confirms the above. :D

Colleague of mine is on EK015. Ended up in Birmingham.

Currently sat on the tarmac in Bournemouth

BA8114 AMS - LGW. 2 other BA a/c here too

How unfortunate that this aircraft had to divert to a single runway airport just before one of the busiest holiday travelling weekends of the summer. I'm not quite sure why it needed to block the operational runway for so long especially when Gatwick appears to have a secondary "emergency" runway, but I expect that it was being worked on at the time.
Could Manston be used - I recall that it used to "specialise" in emergency landings.:}

because manston has bugger all engineering. and should the worst come to be lgw is right next door to east surrey hospital. not even 5 mins away from airside!

ATC "I'm sorry Sir, due to the fact my uncle's sister-in-law's boyfriends mum is due into Gatters in about half an hour and they have drinkies booked with their neighbours later we are going to ask you to fly for an extra 30 minutes with that acrid smell and go block some other piece of tarmac. Actually, most of Northern France are about to move out and shut down so would you mind possibly bogging off there instead so I don't even have to fill in any paperwork and we can save our foam for the firefighters to fill up the local nightclub later for the end of term foamparty? They would also appreciate not having their afternoon kick-a-round interrupted and the nursery school 3 miles from touchdown still have the kids in the playground following lunch................"
:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

I thought Manston had a nice wide and long runway suitable for emergency landings on foam for aircraft with collapsing gear?

Obviously I was venting my frustration in a somwehat petulant and thoughtless way and have subsequently realised the issue was "smoke in cabin" - apologies to the flight crew and passengers who looked as tho' they were stoic throughout.

Mrs Greekdalek will not mind missing 30 mins of Australian Pink Floyd when she knows what has caused all this.:}

Can all the spotters and enthusiasts please take their comments to the copy of this thread over in the Spotters Balcony forum. It will save me and you much time. You won't have to post drivel and trivia on here and I won't have to delete it in order to keep the thread in some semblance of order and content relating to airline pilots and not the breathless repeating of, what we all already know, is media hype and distortion of facts.

Thank you. :ugh:

Haven't the passengers suffered enough without inflicting East Surrey on them !!!!!!!

Know the hospital and if they weren't ill to begin with then hospital will soon change that.

5 mins from Airside is just about doable on an empty road all blocked off.

friend of mine was flying out of gatwick and had a 2 hour delay. apparently (atleast about 2 hours ago) ryanair were the only ones departing due to thunderstorms, monarch were deploying slides and flybe had smoke in the cockpit?

anyone else heard about the monarch or is that another story like the virgin aricraft at heathrow a few weeks ago?

Just for the record, BEE1432 declared a Mayday with smoke in the cabin, and requested an immediate diversion to Gatwick. That's why it went there! Crew on masks, ATC handled it very well I believe.

Manston's fire cover is RFF 3. I'm not sure if that is sufficient for a Q400

EGMH AIP extract

We're Cat-9 on request. Handled 2 BA A320's on divert today.

Because, in language that even an idiot can understand, smoke or fumes in cabin and/or flight deck = land on nearest suitable runway. End of. Slightly more important than avoiding disruption to other people's travel plans.

Then why not Biggin Hill with Farnborough hospital just down the road and if airport fire cover were a problem then the local fire brigade would only take minutes to be on site.

To hell with engineering facilities compared to the costs to other operators of closing a major international airport with a diversion.

If a pilot comes on and tells me he has smoke in the cockpit and wants to land at particular airfiled which I know is suitable for that aircraft type, he goes to that airport. End of. Being on board the aircraft, I'm sure he's in a better place than me to know what to do with his aircraft. If he asked to land at an airfield which I thought wasn't physically suitable I might make suggestions based on distance to nearest airfield, weather, runway length, or fire cover, for example, but If I tried to force him to go somewhere else because of the cost of closing a runway for an hour and he ended up in bits in a field near Reigate, I would be up sh!t creek without a paddle.

The one exception to this is LHR where we are discouraged from offering it as a diversion aerodrome for emergency traffic because of the risks involved in putting a defective aircraft over a large area of population. However, in practice if a pilot declared an emergency and wanted to go to LHR, all I could do is offer him alternatives. If he still wants to land there, he lands there.

If for example smoke entered the cabin and the source was unknown you don't know what you're dealing with (see valuejet). Look. People bitch and moan about blogs diverting to wrong place. causing disruption, etc etc. When you have an emergency all the seas should part. Never mind delays! The Press and pax can be forgiven for being that short sighted but not us as Pilots. The aircraft in question was ok but the same would be blaming the Pilots for not choosing a major airport with on Airport max fire cover and a huge runway, loads of emergency infrastructure and thorough emergency services contigency planning if a fire had consumed the aircraft and people had perished.

Yes well done to the Flybe lads for getting it safely down on the ground, so what if they choose LGW or wherever else to divert, I would have done the same too, are some of these muppets on this forum for real?:ugh:

Spotters, amateurs and children .... please go away :mad:

Getting totally p1ssed off with being called a "Spotter"
I re-iterate, if the Pax and Crew have breathed in ANY sort of fumes/smoke then they almost certainly should have gone to hospital for a check up, regardless of the source of the contamination. It is just plain old duty of care in my book.

But then.....................

Money speaks louder than "Lip Service" A very sad world we are all now living in.:ugh:

BR.

Well to be honest they'd still close the rwy with a pax evac on the exit taxiway I'd think, and if you're on masks with smoke are you really going to be thinking of vacating and keeping the rwy clear to allow other folk to make an approach. I'd agree if OEIO landing to vacate but not fuz smoke/ suspected fire. You don't dick around there. On ground. Off, people ok....egg on face public Pilot website armchair pondering later

Boeing 77W - Manchester Airport, August 1985

Why put 46 passengers more at risk when you can just stop ASAP on the runway and then get the hell out of it. The Manchester disaster took only 60 seconds for the fuselage to be totally destroyed.

I'm starting to wonder about us as Pilots :ugh::ugh:. We seem more worried about rwy occupation and hold ups than dealing with an emergency. That is presuming of course people posting criticism aren't just armchair sim dudes.

In one's Sim checks would you win favour if, with a smoke, poss fire emergency you decided to taxy about clear of rwy or diverting to a p**s small airfield with local public fire cover (that may be putting out burning haystacks) to avoid delays at "Big old Gatwick". Doubt it :rolleyes:

To all concerned

Forget your drinks party your friend diverted to BHX


This Aeroplane had an emergency which required an immediate landing which the crew undertook.


Does it matter how many aircraft were diverted to any airfield the Crew did exactly what they are trained for I E Land ASAP

It is with regret it caused the Airport to Close but what do u say to the Crew when they declare an Emergency


OH I SO SORRY WE HAVE OTHER AIRCRAFT WITH PASSENGERS ATTENTING COCKTAIL PARTIES SO U CANT COME HERE.


The Crew were very proffesional in what they did


So Please WHINGERS Go Away and Knock some other Airline or are FLYBE the only Airline to have had to Divert with Smoke..

Why is the D8 a crock of SxxT are u an expert if its a crock of SxxT why have DHC sold so many

Go away and play with your Toys Pathetic Person

I am surprised this thread has gone so far


Moderator

Please close it its Pathetic no lives Lost no damage to A/C I am sure it was something or nothing and it will probaly be flying again very soon


There we go I have said my lot




Good Evening

Flybe Pilots did great job, plane on ground, passengers safe.

Some people delayed but Big F Deal.

Lots of people not having to explain daddy or mummy is dead because some idiots didn't want to be late so plane with problems had to find somewhere else to land but crashed into a field.

Given thunderstorms over Gatwick later in afternoon I guess they were delays anyway.

Well said that man. :D

How about we arrange for smoke to fill a cabin and chuck you lot that are whinging in it. See where you'd like to go from there. ;)

Started work at 1pm to fly to SPU.
Delayed 3 od hours due to an emergency compounded by weather in the area.
This sort of thing can happen any day, any time.
Everyone gets home safely, that is our job, that is what matters. Nothing else.
Good Job Guys:D

Manston does still have a nice wide and longish runway suitable for emergency landings, but it lost it's foam carpet capability back around 1982/1983. There was no funding available to replace the RAF's foam tankers which had been corroded by the urea used to create the foam. I believe there were also environmental concerns for when it drained off into the water table.

At that time, I think the only other available airfield for foam landings was then CDG.

With regards to using LGW. Wouldn't it have been so much easier on all concerned if LGW had had a second runway to enable them to rapidly continue operations instead of causing chaos and 3 hour + delays. :ugh:

either we have alot of spotters around in here or we have ourselves a few trolls......

You are a tw*t.

From an ATC perspective , yesterday was the worst day i can remember having at work for a very long time. Top job done by all, pilots and ATCOs.

Think ATCOs at Swanwick and the LGW & LHR towers did a fantastic job yesterday--the storms were really bad around here in the afternoon-and this didnt help at LGW after the earlier emergency,but an excellent job was done all round(Traffic was still going in and out of LHR way after midnight!!!)
We should be proud of our ATC here in the UK:)

I'm surprised no-one's suggested Headcorn or Shoreham yet. :ugh::ugh:

Fortunately, I've only ever had to use O2 masks in the sim, and it's not something I'd ever want to do for real. For those who have never had the experience (and judging by some of the comments here, that covers many of the 'contibutors' to this thread) it's an unpleasant and disorientating experience, and one that makes effective communication extremely difficult. And that's in the sim - never mind the real aircraft.

I say again - smoke and/or fumes in cabin and/or flight deck = land on nearest suitable runway. Briefing and setting up for an approach to an unfamiliar airport is a complication you can do without when it's an effort just to talk to each other.