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captjns 1st Jun 2009 10:39

Do carriers have the ability to track individual tails via SATCOM, in conjunction with OFDM?

marlin 1st Jun 2009 10:40

Most carriers do their own flight tracking these days

Speed of Sound 1st Jun 2009 10:41

a terrorist attack is the last thing the industry now.
Or indeed the people on board and their relatives! :confused:


Bingaling 1st Jun 2009 10:48

Most of our 330's are equipped with a GPS type tracking system that feeds real time accurate position and flight information (Heading/Altitude/Speed) back to the company.

I cannot guarantee it works over the Atlantic but I would be amazed if it doesn't. Surely AF would have extremely accurate position reports fed back continuously.

We can hold out hope that a miracle is possible, just like in NYC. They could very well be sitting in life rafts. I hope the SAR mission was initiated at the earliest indication of trouble.

Here's hoping.....

brockenspectre 1st Jun 2009 10:48

Here is a link to the Le Monde story

apologies to those who don't read French but its easily translatable online - my assumption is that French news media may be more accurate and have better access to Air France spokespeople.

ktm11 1st Jun 2009 10:48

If you look at the satellite map north east of "Rio Garne do norte" you can see there is a severe weather. Its on the way to cape verde. Where there was no communication done.
Check this out
WunderMap Interactive Radar & Weather Stations : Weather Underground

captjns 1st Jun 2009 10:56

If the A330 provides heading/speed/altitude information, perhaps LAT/LONG would be transmitted too.

fireflybob 1st Jun 2009 10:58

Aircraft don't just 'drop off the radar', even what little radar there is off the coast of Brazil.
I suppose it's a question of semantics but a/c do disappear off radar if they disintegrate in midair - too early to speculate the cause but one could hazard a guess.

rojako 1st Jun 2009 11:01

flightstats info
Track Flight Status for (AF) Air France 447

Mahatma Kote 1st Jun 2009 11:03

Based on the great circle route and the reported trip times, and last reported time, the aircraft was last seen around Teneriffe +/- a few hundred miles.

Obviously this location could vary by many hundreds of nm,but a location somewhere around the coast of North West Africa seems probable.

jotape 1st Jun 2009 11:03

Latest Brazilian news:
- Brazilian Air Force mobilised for search
- alarm was sounded when flight failed to check in with Sal island (those of you familiar with the SAA transatlantic flights will know about Sal...)

farmer jo 1st Jun 2009 11:04

If the aircraft has ACARS (which I am sure it must have) then a report of height, speed and position is reported every minute

lexxity 1st Jun 2009 11:04


This is the 330 in question.

kevincoy 1st Jun 2009 11:06

French government reports that contact with the plane was lost at 3:20am BST which is earlier than the 6am reports currently. (source: AP)

Sam1191 1st Jun 2009 11:08

taken off A.net: "According France 2, at 3.30 AM (French time), the pilot was in conversation with their company and was reporting hard turbulance and the conversation was cut off"

jotape 1st Jun 2009 11:08

also reason that Fernando de Noronha island is mentioned is not because that is the area of the disappearance, its because its the most easterly atlantic AFB for the Brazilian Air Force - i.e. thats where they take off to go and search

kevincoy 1st Jun 2009 11:10

French officials are also saying that its fuel, including reserves would have just run out too, so all hope seems lost unfortunately... a sad day

HeathrowAirport 1st Jun 2009 11:11

Air France Just Confirmed, Its lost. And there is no hope. Off the coast of west africa. Nearest San Pedro (VXE)

iuk1963 1st Jun 2009 11:11

just published:

ASN Aircraft accident Airbus A330-203 F-GZCP ? Atlantic Ocean

Thomcat 1st Jun 2009 11:12

Not sure I understand the reaction of Air France
' Air France shares worries and concerns of family concerned'

I work for a regional carrier and as far as I'm aware hq knows exactly where all aircraft are at any one time of the day. Air France operates worldwide so this might be slightly different, but surely they most have means to track their aircraft?

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