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Ryanair Tail Strike at Dublin Sept 11
RYR 208, declared mayday shortly after take off
ATC comms suggest tail strike on rotation and/or loss of pressurisation Landed and vacated 28 without assistance Ryanair of course have an interesting view on the flight 1230 FR 208 Dublin - Dublin ON TIME |
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Not really a good time to mention it but I remember sitting at the holding point at SNN and seeing a Futura 800 rotating in front of us with a brief cloud of dust being kicked up in the area of the tail bumper. We reported this to ATC who passed on the message. Evidently the Boeing checklist was too inconvenient to carry out at that stage and they continued on their merry way to TFS (if I remember) to replace the tail cartridge there I guess. . . Oh dear. In this case the crew have done the right thing coming back, pressurisation probs or not, of course it helps if you dont thump your airframe onto the ground on rotation, but that is another matter and is a not terribly uncommon occurence regretably on the 800. |
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They declared a mayday for that? Seems excessive
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Last Updated: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 13:43Ryanair plane returns to Dublin after take-off incident A Ryanair flight was forced to return to Dublin airport today after the back of the aircraft hit the runway during take-off. The airline said "protective tailskid" at the back of the plane struck the runway as it took off and the pilot returned to the airport as a precaution. A spokeswoman for the airline described it as a “tail-strike” and said it was quite common. “As a precautionary measure the aircraft returned with oxygen masks deployed and landed safely in Dublin,” the spokeswoman said. "All 148 passengers disembarked normally, were given refreshments and will be re-accommodated in the next two flights to London Stansted". The flight took off from Dublin en route to Stansted at 11.40am and no one was injured. © 2008 irishtimes.com Rhodes13 says: Futurebreeze how about you stop making **** up! If he had a tail strike on takeoff they would not have pressurised the aircraft as it states in the QRH and would have thus returned to land at EIDW. That only happens: a: when the cabin altitude goes above 14000 (I seem to recall) i.e. a depressurisation, b: the crew manually deploy them. Over to you Rhodes......... PS as you berated Future breeze publicly, perhaps you will apologise publicly too! |
So how do you know the masks weren't deployed manually?
From the links our friend put up the highest alt the aircraft got to was FL068 hardly enough for a depressurization now is it? The diff at this level would be negligable thus the aircraft would essentially be unpressurized at that point. As you said it could have been manually deployed or perhaps the masks weren't deployed. I see from the article on the newspaper its not a quote from a RYR rep but just a journalist perhaps taking some artistic license. Has been known to happen in the past! But hang on lets judge the crew on what's posted on pprune. As a current RYR driver I'm sick and tired of amateurs posting on here telling crew how they should have done things and slagging a company off just because of its name. In short no apologies! |
Slightly less excessive than the tailplane falling off.:eek:
They did the right thing I think. |
Rhodes, I see your posting has been removed by you or the MOD's, just as well I copied it onto mine eh?!
Why would the crew choose to manually deploy O2 masks at FL 68?? And the article quotes ' an airline spokeswoman' not a journo as you claim. Again, I've copied it, have a closer read........ |
cheap as chips
Believe they also played the 'on time' fanfare throughout the cabin when it landed back in Dublin after a short sight seeing trip around the city!
Ryanair don't we just love them! |
A Ryanair flight had to make an emergency landing shortly after take off at Dublin airport today.
The flight, from Dublin to London, was forced to land at around 11.40am this morning and oxygen masks were dropped into the cabin. The incident happened when the plane's tailskid touched the runway during the take off. The plane was carrying 148 passengers at the time and no-one was injured. As currently posted on the website of another newspaper. I see no mention of a RYR spokesperson there at all. Perhaps they are changing their story? Once again journalists haven't been known to sensationalise a story now have they? Was I there no. Would I have followed the QRH checks yes. To quote from the QRH "do not pressurise the aircraft as structual damage may have occurred". So how can you have a depressurisation if the aircraft was never pressurised? How about we let the facts come out? So far it looks like a tail strike with a return, nothing more nothing less. How about we avoid the sensationilst news reporting so loved by the media today?:ok: |
They might have been over FL140
After the initial call, flight crew requested further decent and where cleared to FL80 Normal SID would be to climb to FL80 then typically cleared to FL230 |
Rhodes my dear chap, look at the article in the irishtimes that I reproduced on here and have already referred you back to.
A spokeswoman for the airline described it as a “tail-strike” and said it was quite common. “As a precautionary measure the aircraft returned with oxygen masks deployed and landed safely in Dublin,” the spokeswoman said. |
Surely if anything that could possibly adversely affect the aircraft occurs on landing/takeoff the crew have to make the relevant people aware? Even if its a very minor incident there would surely be 'hell to pay' if something bad came of it.
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The question remains that would a crew knowing they had a tail strike climb to above FL100 even FL140 upressurised forgoing the normal pressurisation checks at fl100 and then the subsequent config alarm only to come back down to read the QRH that specifically states do not pressurise the aircraft?
Im fairly certain you would have felt the tail strike or been told by the tower. So kick the tyres are you suggesting culpability by the crew? Maybe the crew did deploy the masks? So what? Does that mean there was a depressurisation? Perhaps the crew deployed them as a precaution? I don't want to judge the crew until all the facts are out and we aren't talking on hearsay. Or did I forget we should all listen to armchair experts? |
ASFKAP
:OHow to bring a thread to an end!:O 22 mins without a post. Superb! :D |
oxygen masks were dropped into the cabin. |
Perhaps just the vibration knocked a few masks out of their stowages?
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Rhodes,
I have never once, nor ever would, suggest any blame without the facts! It was you, my friend, who suggested or rather stated FL68 as their level. You also suggested that Futurebreeze should stop 'making **** up!', again this was wrong. You also said the confirmation of a tail strike was made up by a journo, again this was wrong! |
Ryanair tail strike
Listening to RYR208 communicate with Dublin North ACC,im certain RYR208 ask for stop climb at FL160,then a return to EIDW & than MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY for RWY28
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"Did they reach a high enough altitude for the (lack of) pressurisation to trigger the oxygen masks, or did the pilots activate the masks - if so, why?"
My Question also. Seems strange, especially if they went to just 3000 feet to prepare for a go-around. Or did they climb beyond 10,000 feet and trigger deployment when they depressurized as per the check list?? Seems they were in the air for 20 mins. A bit lengthy for a go-around? |
Kick the tyres we seem to have our wires crossed. I never doubted the tail strike I doubted the sensationalist headlines put up by futurebreeze stating that there was a depressurisation.
No where does it state in any of the articles that there was a depressurisation. It does state masks were deployed and that there was a tail strike. All I was saying was that people al la futurebreeze shouldn't post things like this unless it is confirmed (depressurisation). Proably doesnt help if he got it off a tracker website that states "TAIL STRIKE ON TAKE OFF","EFFECT ON ENGINE COMPRESSOR"?????,LOSS OF CABIN PRESSURE!!!!!!!!! And guess who it is posted by? Thus the making it up part comes from the last bit and the title of his thread RYR depressurisation. Thats what I was referring to. If we have crossed our wires I apologise. |
They certainly got above FL80 as the second decent clearance given by Dublin was to FL80. Jet departures on a SID are normally cleared to FL80 initially and re-cleared to FL230 if heading towards Manchester
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20 mins is about average....you need to complete checklists and brief and set up for the approach. They probably entered a hold.
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They declared a mayday for that? Seems excessive What in-flight evidence do they have available to confirm that it's only a ho-hum event? Let the hindsight, rear-view mirror comments commence:) |
This is the way its been reported on the utv website...
Irish plane makes emergency landing - Local News - UTV Northern Ireland |
They probably did well to land back at Dublin. Tail strike could severe the structure of the aircraft (and maybe compromise the integrity of the pressurisation panels).
Besides, it is probably easier for Ryanair to carry out maintenance in Dublin. |
You should hear the commentary on Irish radio...............MAJOR incident, crying passengers and all (not according to the passengers themselves though).:{
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Stand up and be counted.
Good for the crew to have the INTEGRETY to act in a manner that may (sorry WILL :ugh: ) bring them ridicule from their so called "proffessional" brethern.
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From a passenger friend who was seated three rows from the back of the aircraft: She described a 'small bang' on take off and then it became very cold as they climbed with a 'rushing wind' from the back of the plane. According to her they reached fl200 before going into a steep descent to Dublin at which point the oxygen masks (not all of them apparently) dropped.
RTE News (our national news broadcaster) just reporting the passenger complaints re oxygen masks on the 6pm news now. |
A colleague here was on the flight. Also reported the rapid drop in temperature, accompanied by sundry Hail Marys and not inconsiderable fear among SLF, panic in some instances. Then stewardess appeared and instructed passengers to use oxygen masks. Alas, masks had not deployed at that point, but did soon after, so that may answer question about whether deployment was automatic or not. Then a smell of smoke (more than likely from the O2 candles, though SLF wouldn't know that) and more distress among passengers.
Colleague's still calming down so let me caveat this with a 'caution' in case his recall is a bit off at this point. |
They would only deploy automatically when the cabin reached a pre-defined altitude. That does not always take place immediately, depending on the nature and the size of the leak.
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Glad Rag:
Good for the crew to have the INTEGRETY (sic) to act in a manner that may (sorry WILL ) bring them ridicule from their so called "proffessional" brethern. |
I am more than a little mystified as to why in this incident the cabin oxygen was used.
The Boeing check non-normal check list requires that if a tail strike is suspected the aircraft should be depressurised and a landing made at the nearest suitable airport. The act of descending the aircraft will alone start the depressurization and will do it at a slow and controlled rate, with only 6000ft to descend to the point at which oxygen is not required surely it would be best to remove the pressurisation load from the structure slowly and save all the drama and expense of a mask deployment? |
After recent events I bet the Pax knew how to use the Emergency O2 supply !!!
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At least the crew did the right thing - unlike BRIT**** MIDLAND who flew onwards to Heathrow with a hole in the fuselage unable to pressurise. Just imagine the amount of Spurs being worn in that cockpit!!!
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Sorry guys, I'm not a pilot.
How would such a tail strike occur? I imagine excessive rotation or lack of power would cause this. I notice there are no comments on why this happened so I presume that despite the inconvenience it's not all that unusual. |
OK I'll keep it simple this time to keep the mods happy:
Assuming the flightdeck was aware of the tailstrike, would it be appropriate for the aircraft to reach FL200 before a decision to descend and return to the departure airport was made? |
Shock issue
Don't need couch referees, when it happens to you, and you are in an unsure situation "err" on the side of caution
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Ryanair Bashing
Ah the professionals eh bash RYR when they can, if it was another 800 operator would the tread be the same? These guys are the most professional crews in Europe perhaps the planet, so less of the 'Typical' RYR stuff. Oh I'm sure there are plenty of other airline professionals with opinions but have they flown the FR line??
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Ex-Cargo
Problem this time was that masks hadn't deployed by time passengers were told to put them on. A new twist on the debate about SLF and O2 supplies... |
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