JK5022 left the gate 5mins late at 1305LT, subsequently returned to ramp
at 1342 and new ETD set at 1425LT. Delay due to 'technical defects'

I agree with previous posts. The Media are a disgrace at the moment with what they are reporting. Mindless garbage is a phrase that comes to mind. One report actually mentioned the fact the a/c didn't have the chance even to 'dump fuel' over the Atlantic. That's just sensationalist as this a/c cannot dump fuel.

In answer to a previous question.... yes we discuss all previous accident reports and try to learn from them.

My thoughts are with the families of those on board. This is so sad.

46 dead according to CNN+ Spain.

45 confirmed dead by the Government

Facts.
 

Tragic in whatever circumstances.

However, why do ill informed people on here keep regurtitating so called "facts" that they have lifted from even less well informed media sources?

Unless you have concrete and accurate information, why post anything?

Rant over.

F

150 Dead????
 

BBC reports 150 people dead! Is that true?

co22
 

''it just my imagination but do the MD-8x range seem to be involved in more accidents than other types of aircraft?''

yes it is your imagination I think, the Dc/Md 9/80 series has an respectable safety record,easily comparable with anything similar.

You may be mistaking the fact that it is still a very widely used a/c.

A Red Cross representative is reporting 45 dead, but this will probably not be the final number of casualties.

"flight international reporting iminent spanair industrial action due to imminent job losses.wonder if this was a contributing factor to the pilots and staff state of mind."

What are you trying to say? :confused:

Statement from Spanair

Spanair regrets to confirm that its flight number JK 5022, from Madrid to Las Palmas de Gran Canarias was involved in an incident at Madrid, at 14.45 hrs local time today.
JK is a code share* flight with Lufthansa LH 2554
Spanair is doing everything possible to assist the Spanish authorities at this difficult time, and has established a local help-line number for relatives or friends of those who may have been on board.
The number is. +34 800 400 200
Spanair will provide further information as soon as it becomes available.

Spanish Govt saying 45 dead with 19 serious injuries - at this stage. The other extreme is only 25 survivours which would leave about 150 fatalities. Terrible news.

Spanair Crash - latest figures
 

Spanish TV currently saying 45 dead.
Catalan TV saying 20 dead.

One is too many. God rest their souls.

reuters says that only 25 ppl alive.

Danish press reports (Berlingske Tidende) saying that only 25 out of 175 survived the crash. Headlines say 148 dead.

Hi all,

Sad day at LEMD. First departures now , RWY 36R is now open for departures. RWY36L closed ufn. The crash site is in between both runways. Emergency equipment and helicopters are still working the area, evacuating wounded and extinguising fire on the ground.

JM

It isn't new. Someone else can provide exact details but as the MD87 and 88 are in service I think it's safe to conclude that the 82 is "fairly" old.

This is the only 100% reliable information so far since its comes direct from a Press Release. I have the same release from SAS and from Spanair themselves. When the next official release arrives on my desk I'll post it.

for this being a Lufthansa code share flight, Lufthanse really takes a VERY long time to respond.

Checking the Lufthansa flight number on their website (LH 2554) reports that the flight has been canceld.

SAS Group statement
 

EuroInvestor.co.uk - SAS: Regarding Spanair flight JK 5022

If it is EC-HFP:

C/N 2072MSN 53148MD-82EC-HFPexKorean AirHL7548Korean Air

geoffreper
 

Latest reports sugests that 45 are now dead through engine fire

latest from el mundo
 

sorry to bear bad news and yes its "only" the press
although El Mundo seems to have been accurate on the (awful) details of this crash ahead of all other news outlets
they must have their sources

what they are saying is that only about 20 survivors, rest died in the aircraft fire - specific reports from emergency service personnels entering the shell of the plane after fire died down and seeing only carbonised bodies

as a veteran SLF, would like to know where the survivors were sitting - instinctively would assume in the front as MD engines are in the back

Statement on Accident JK 5022 Routed Madrid – Las Palmas
SAS Group can confirm that a Spanair flight JK 5022, was involved in an accident at Madrid Barajas Airport today.

The aircraft, an MD-82, was en route from Madrid to Las Palmas when the accident occurred, at 14:23 hrs local time. We can confirm that there were 166 passengers and six (6) crew onboard.

JK 5022 is a code- share* flight with Lufthansa flight number LH255.

Information about possible casualties is not yet available, however SAS is doing everything possible to help passengers and next-of-kin and to assist Spanish authorities at this difficult time. A team of specially-trained SAS Group personel is being assembled in Madrid.
The names of the passengers and crew on board will not be released until the next-of-kin have been notified.

Spanair has a direct phone number to attend passengers' family of the flight JK 5022: +34 800 400 200. At the moment this telephone number is only working within Spain.

Also see SAS Group homepage for information: www.sasgroup.net


* Code- share- When two or more airlines state their flight number in the timetable for
the same flight, while only one of the airlines operates the flight.


SAS Group Corporate Communications


Note to editors: We ask journalists not to call the passenger phone number, as a separate media center has been established. The media information center can be contacted at the following numbers: +46 8 797 2081, 797 48 93, 797 12 92

The Spokes Women is good!
 

The spokes women of SAS - mother company of SPANAIR - is excellent. She does not FUEL speculations despite being pushed by BBC reporters.

Great handling from her end of this case!

This is really horrible. Is Barajas closed indefinitely?

For those of a strong disposition, canarias7 have a picture of a badly-burned survivor on their main page. From the looks of it, the burns would show that most people did not stand a chance.

Barajas continue operating, remember have 2 runways for take off and 2 for land

An MD-82 landed safely after an engine fire which affected hydraulics last september in Louisiana.

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/2...evacuated.html

(i realize it's a very common aircraft so i'm not saying there's a connection but it is a very similar incident)

The Spanish newspaper El Mundo is reporting that only 28 people were evacuated alive. Souls on board 166 passengers, 6 crew.

If EC-HFP is the aircraft involved, first flight was 01.11.1993.
First delivered to Korean Air as HL7204 18.11.1993
Serial number 53148 LN:2072.

M

El Mundo, 17:22 CET
"MADRID.- El avión JKK 5022 viajaba con 178 personas a bordo, entre pasajeros y tripulantes. Sólo 27 personas han podido ser evacuadas de la nave con vida. Se encuentran en estado crítico y uno de ellos ha fallecido durante el traslado al hospital."
178 people on board. Only 27 people escaped, some in a critical state. One died on the way to hospital.

Video shows lots of white smoke, presumably from burning dry grass and brush (mentioned in another Spanish news item), which must have made access even more difficult....

elmundo.es quotes rescue teams who describe the plane as being "full of charred bodies", and the survivors as "critically wounded". According to the report, the fire crews couldn't enter the hull for some time because of the heat generated by the fire, and had to summon a fire brigade helicopter to extinguish the flames.
:uhoh:

Full details on EC-HFP are here: Spanair EC-HFP (McDonnell Douglas MD-80/90) (Ex HL7204 HL7548 ) - Airfleets

Just for your info. There is a regulation on arrivals running until 2300 utc at a rate of 20 per hour, giving 12000 mins delay, with up to 250 mins per flight. They are using a contingency departure procedure to try to manage the airfield, and departures are suffering no ATC delays. But the situation from the point of view of delays is really insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

Agreed. She didn't take any BS from the BBC news anchor.

If further illustration of how it might be an idea if the 24 hour media waited a bit before causing confusion were needed, the dear old Beeb, having fuelled speculation of dozens dead, about two minutes ago switched to running a ticker saying 'Reports suggests dozens walked away unhurt'.

More Direct from Spanair Press Office
 

http://www.pprune.org/cid:http://www...anairlogga.gif
Regarding flight number JK 5022
Spanair regrets to confirm that 164 passengers and 9 crew were on board its flight JK5022, which was involved in an accident in Madrid today.

The accident occurred at 14:45 local time during take off, aircraft type MD-82.

The names of the passengers and crew on board the aircraft will not be released until all family have been notified, and a special help-line number has been established for relatives and friends seeking information about those who may have been on board. The number is +34 800 400 200. A team of specially trained Spanair personnel is being assembled in Palma de Mallorca, and will fly to Madrid later today to provide support and assistance at the scene.

Information on the number of people involved is not yet available, but Spanair is doing everything possible to help the Spanish authorities at this difficult time.

Spanair will provide further information as soon as it becomes available and will hold a press conference at 17:30 local time at the Meliá Avenida de America hotel in Madrid.

Also see Spanair homepage for information at: www.spanair.com

Current delay situation
 

The Spanair departure ex FRA to MAD has now got an approved slot of 2007z against a sked dep of 1550z - so looks like the field is open but barely functioning, as one would expect.

sad news indeed...
might just want to remind everyone that an Iberia "mad-dogs" had an engine failure/blown tyre about 2 weeks ago on a flight out of Vienna (LOWW)... circled for some time to burn of fuel and landed successfully. Hate to see a "deja-vu" effect on this one...

updated: correct airline to Iberia and not JKK being involved in the LOWW incident :ugh:

From El Mundo: "Según su relato, tan sólo 28 de los pasajeros del avión pudieron salir con vida y se encuentran en estado crítico. "El resto, todos muertos"

"According to his (an airport official's) report, only 28 people were able to exit the airplane alive, all in critical condition. 'The rest, all dead'."

The arrival and departures are pretty decent considering one RWY closed: (MAD) Barajas Airport Departures, Arrivals, and Information