Ryanair Taxi incident Carcassonne
 

Apparently a Ryanair 737 tried to remodel a building at Carcassonne yesterday - everyone delayed and much sucking of teeth !

Is this not the second taxi incident in a short space?

how do u mean remodel a building? any deatils?

Maybe its time to make a Ryanair taxi incident sticky thread where all the taxi incidents can be incorporated.

If the latest report is true then, so far this year: CCS, LCJ, EMA + the runway excursion at LIG.

Surely that must be some kind of record?

sr

Has anyone on this thread ever got ground marshalling at Carcassonne:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:......... ..to say the least.

Friend flew out of Carcassonne - they taxied off, thump, stopped - looked at wingtip, building, got engineers involved and eventually set off in another aeroplane. Rather late.

I'll be ''frenchly'' honest

Carcassonne Airport management tried to make FR pay some kind of aggravation on parking fees because of double bay occupation :

they fled in a hurry, just to avoid payment.... and scratched the terminal building

quite hairy, isn't it !

http://pic.beinig.be/upload/71/pigne1.jpg

deplorable french humour, I'm afraid !

CCF, LMG, DNR, FNI in fact virually any French airport, one is best to ignore the " marshaller" and just follow the lines...........if you are given an indication of where the want you to park in the first place!!

What I truly find amazing is the lack of posts about serious incidents such as the Thomsonfly 737 at Bournemouth last year compared to microscopic detail of everything Ryanair does.

Most people reading this probably don't even remember the incident I'm referring to.

What? you mean
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=300235

Since it was not an 'accident' I don't think there will be any AAIB report. It will have been investigated, of course.

Yes thank you that's the one.

Four pages about an incident where it's alleged that a 737 on approach to a UK airfield got to 40 ish degrees nose up and a speed of less than 90 kts???? ......but ten pages about a minor taxi incident at Ryanair?

I think you just helped make my point.

Are we talking about Ryanair slowing down their taxying speeds?

- exactement - mon plaisir.

I tend to sympathise with anyone that has a taxi incident when being marshalled into a parking bay,however I recently (reluctantly ) took a Ryanair flight from Kerry and all I can say is they do deserve some of these incidents! If the crew flying this particular flight were working for me they would now be visiting their local job centre! Yes MOL you can try nail me however 172 people witnessed two members of the cabin crew being tossed onto the laps of passengers whilst the aircraft was being rotated around its right main wheels in order to get out of the parking bay in Kerry airport. Having flown nearly 4500hrs on 737's I have never had the need to handle an aircraft so badly! The airbourne part of the journey was also interesting as an endurance test for the speed brakes,or perhaps they were doing an evaluation for Boeing on how long they could remain deployed!!

That said the flight was cheap and on time!

unablereqnavperf

Don't you think its unfair and hard to be PIC from row 23 with only assumptions:=?

It was actually row 4 and having flown the 737 I quite aware of how much power was being applied and how unnecessary that was. In 30 years of flying I have never dumped crew across the laps of pax during taxi! It was cowboy operation at its best and incidently a letter has gone to the Chief pilot expressing my concerns!

Further more from that seat I was able to feel the "scuffing " that the nose wheel was enduring and on rotation was able to feel the vibration from the nose wheel that often is the result of this type of turning. Too many of this type of turn causes the nose wheels to become unbalanced and therefore results in the vibration experienced on take off! Agreed this is not always tthe case but having experienced this type of cowboy turn I was hardly surprised!

Hi S

Was that post really necessary?
Maybe new Captain, quite possibly training, tight apron, crap marshalling.........??

As for speedbrakes well with your time on type and out of Luton too you should know better? Remember straight in on 08 at short notice? One thing Ryanair pilots are is current!

Looks to me as if he was actually being a pax with observations? However, you are right - it would be quite hard.:confused:

Hi Stan,
Was actually in to STN to take up the abbot hold lots of speed brake followed by lots of long level segments! I can let you have the details if you'd like to follow it up. I know not all Ryan air guys are cowboys but there appear to be more and more cowboys joining the ranks giving the good guys a bad name!

Anyone now anything about an unusual FR 737-800 approach into NQY on the 6th May?
Several circuits etc etc terminating in a long long taxi away from the terminal and a greeting party consisting of our friendly fire bobbies.

A friend of mine was on the flight and would like to know what happened.
barry

The reason Stan, why everyone analyses everything Ryanair gets caught doing in microscopic detail could be because it is a leading, large and important operation. Oh and I doubt that it gets caught every time so microscopes at the ready when it does :ok:

What's all this questionable marshalling stuff?

I thought this Ryanair was departing? Surely they don't have marshalled departures?

I was on one last night which was running late, and it turned late to avoid the building as it taxied off stand. Single figure metres between wingtip and building? You need a neck on a stalk and eyes like a hawk to be sure of exactly how many metres that is in the dark ...

Like Lodz, this kind of thing smacks of an airline operational problem, pure and simple.

Sometimes you get the impression that Ryanair is operated on an Easy setting, not like EZY, but like FSX :}

I might be forgiven for suggesting that the preference seems to be to operate with scenery detail turned to minimum density, and when sundry immovable bits of real 3D do actually impinge on the operation, after a quick "oops" and airframe swap, it's then simply a question of clicking Restart and off we go again :suspect:

Another week, another ryanair incident. How soon before lives are lost?
Before I get accused of ryanair bashing, 1 taxi incident is unfortunate, several in a short space of time, plus one off the runway, points to a serious operational malaise. Ryanair are statistically more likely to have more incidents, than some others, being reasonably big, but these sort just don't happen to other companies, certainly not with such monotonous regularity.

Oh come on. I am not a fan of MOL but have alot of friends flying there and they have not had any problems over 15 years. Every airline around the world has something happen now and again. With over 1200 flights a day 7 days a week some things like this in small low budget airfields will happen with ground crew that are not trained. Unlike some carries who dont even make the runway i would think we should be glad that these things happen on the ground for Ryanair.

Everything does turn into Ryanair bashing here. You would swear you never had a problem in flight or on the ground at your airlines. Every week i read here about supporting fellow pilots but you never do when it comes to Ryanair pilots. When ever BA or EI decide to ballot for strike because they have left you with one button short on your new coat you want everybody to drop what they are doing and stand beside you for the good of the industry.

It is very sad people who post here wanting the Ryans to crash just so they can say i told you so. You have been saying it for along time now and it has not happened.

As i do not work in FR anymore i came onto this site to read what has happened in CCF and all of a sudden it has gone way off the point again.

OK then topjock, tell us what we must learn this time ... something about untrained groundcrews, was it? Tail wagging unfortunate dog again? Is that the point?

I was not there and i have not spoken to anybody in FR so i dont know what happened. That is why i read here to see what did happen but it all goes off the point.

Nobody who has posted here knows what has happened they have given their point of view of why Ryanair are crap and unsafe. I am just sick of reading the same crap all the time when something does happen. The stupid thing is if the crew are fired somebody else will be on giving out the MOL hates pilots and deep down inside he is happy it happened so he could fire them.

Double standards all the time by most people. Do you know what happened? Or is it just a good time to have a go at the Ryans again.

Flew Ryanair into STN from BHD last week, the brakes were applied extremely sharply after touchdown then the plane took made a sharp left down into a taxiway, a CD player belonging to someone in the row behind went flying down the plane. Then they played the trumpets and cheers jingle for being early!

And your point being? Sounds like the crew got off the runway quickly as they should, and someone wasn't holding onto their CD player properly, luckily they didn't injure someone! And they got there early. Do you complain about absolutely everything?

Top Jock,
you miss the point. There are quite obviously more incidents occurring with ryanair than similar size airlines, for example Easyjet. Aside from the recent spate of off tarmac excursions, there have been a lot of very serious incidents in the air over the last couple of years, to name but a few:
Knock
Cork
Beauvais
Ciampino
Skavsta
The below min landings at STN
I won't go into detail but you know what happened. How you can say that this is normal and industry standard is beyond me. It is a simple fact that, touch wood, other airlines are not having the same number of incidents as ryanair.
And stop trying to blame poor airports, it's incumbent upon the airline the structure the operation appropriate to the conditions.

ASFKAP


How about they setup a thread for muppets like you and call it the Anti Ryanair campaign so you can spend all your time in there Ryanair bashing so nobody else will have to endure your posts, If Ryanair wasnt safe it wouldnt be flying 52million passengers a year around Europe.

And for the passenger who "reluctantly"

Who has Stand ashamed!

Many of the posters in here would agree you dont go wishing bad luck on anyone!

I fly weekly with many different airlines (even Mesopotamia! when Sterling switched my plane). I use Ryanair regularly. I'm not a pilot but I've had some time in a little Piper! Colour blindness prevents me from bothering with a pilots licence. I am also well read technically and take a keen interest in aviation and always have. Even in as far as reading FAA AD's etc.. I have never had anything but the utmost confidence in Ryanair and never in all of the past few years have I ever felt cause for concern. So called "heavy" landings and "sharp" breaking commonly referred to by most SLF are actually quite normal landings really. Not just Ryanair landings. It also depends on whereabouts you are sitting. If you sit right at the back you feel it more. In some of the severe weather we've had with very high cross winds it's amazing to see how well these guys handle it. You are just willing them to plant it down in the last few metres. Mistakes will happen and I'm sure they will quickly be investigated and preventive action taken. We've had incidents will all airlines it just seems that people want to have a go just because it's Ryanair. If they disappeared tomorrow there would be a big hole in the aviation employment sector. If you look through such other "minor" incidents over the past couple of years you will see that most airlines have had something whether it be a Thomas Cook Airbus (now there's a heavy landing) or a Sterling landing over the top of another aircraft lined up at CPH, clash of wings at MAN, etc..

May I suggest that the behaviour and public pronouncements of Ryanair's senior management are the reason that Ryanair attracts so much attention?

If Ryanair really is going to wipe the slate with the rest of Europe's airlines, thanks to it's superior business model, as has been asserted many times by it's management, don't you think it is only natural that it's activities would deserve additional scrutiny?

Several airlines have stopped using Ryanair to position crews, due to worries about their mode of operations. How do SLF feel about that?

I am not saying that there are no problems at Ryanair and yes it is brought alot by the people who run the airline so that is why i get sick of everybody having a go at the crew's time and time again. What i am saying is that every airline has problems and there are crew's flying world wide who have made mistakes but they do not get jumped on as quick as FR crew. We do not know the facts yet and crew's who made the mistakes in NOC and ORK lost their commands. The OFDM which is on board all RYR aircraft record everything and any mistake is there to be seen and to keep everybody safe. In nearly 30 years of flying they have not had a hull loss so there must be something that is working.

"In nearly 30 years of flying they have not had a hull loss so there must be something that is working."

They just have trouble with the appendages, such as wings, tail and landing gear.

Boeing should have options such as Tundra tires and crash resistant bumpers on winglets.

Honda can do it...

Sceptical. Sounds like a windup...

Michael

Windytoo,

Load of Cr*p.

FR has no Safety issues.

Every airline in existence has safety issues. The most dangerous airlines and individuals are the ones who think they have no safety issues.

If the operations officers of those airlines were truly worried about positioning their crews on other airlines they would, or should use alternate means, coach, train, car hire, or even their own aircraft. But wait... those other means of positioning also have a history of incidents. Oh well they better start and end those trips from home base so they don't have these ancillary worries. Now back to reality.

There’s more RYANAIR bashing here than cackling at a Hen Party. Ease up on these gents!!! They feel bad enough. However, I’m sure they will come away with valuable lessons learned that they will impart to their colleagues.

Someone asked… what can be learned by this incident??? In tight maneuvering spots the one who operates the tiller should take a walk outside so he/she could anticipate the best route off stand. The cockpit window(s) should be opened and head craned out the window to verify wingtip clearance and marshaller’s command. Delays? Well a five minute delay may prevent a 3 hour delay, unwanted publicity, and possible certificate action.

Do you know what; I’m getting pig sick of this website! PPRUNE = PROFESIONAL PILOTS rumour network, not disgruntled pax who has no knowledge of aviation and once had a hard landing when sat in row four.com (DPWHNKOAAOHAHLWSIRF.com)I am a pilot, based in the UK flying commercially in Europe, however I do not work for Ryan air , but know plenty of guys that do. Again, as mentioned before in previous threads, they operate 1200 flights per day, every day! They hit a wingtip on a blast fence and every tom, dick and harry who once watched ‘flight deck’ on discovery channel pipes up and gives his piece like he knows what he’s talking about. Have any of the ‘back seat drivers’ on here ever actually taxied a 737-800? Maybe in flights 2000 on a Sunday afternoon. Guys, it’s not really that easy!
To pick up on few things that gets mentioned by obvious SLF posters,
Firstly BHD, aka Belfast harbour, George best airport and the passenger who lost his CD player, ITS VERY SHORT! In fact I should imagine its pretty much on the limits of a 737,the aircraft needs to be put on the runway asap, why don’t you fly next time with BMI on their A319,im sure you will have the same experience!
Taxying in kerry, ive been there, it’s a very tight ramp, hence a tight turn is required, do you fly the 737-800, it’s quite long! There is no other way to get out of the parking stand, and it’s the only place to park without blocking the ramp.
Regarding the speedbrake, it’s a very slippery aircraft to handle, more so than the earlier 737-3/4/5 etc. the wing doesn’t allow slow down and go down. You mention heading in towards ABBOT hold? from Kerry? more like LOREL hold me thinks (letter arrives on chief pilots desk, he immediately notices this mistake, as he has flown from Kerry to stansted before, and files letter appropriately, file marked ‘bin’).ATC ask you to descend FL90, and reduce 220 kits, in the 738 its tricky, also if your familiar with the approach into STN, 220 kits from 6000 down to 3000, level in 8 miles, speed brake or flaps required!.
Come-on Danny and other moderators, this website used to do exactly what it said on the tin, a place for PILOTS to come on and discuss PILOT things, chat about tricky approaches, incidents etc. A place where we could discuss anonymously and maybe learn a thing or two in the process, now it just seems to be a place where some disgruntled pax can come on and get involved in things they know nothing about and use it to vent their anger/slag of an airline, and Ryan air seems to get a lot of it.
I would no longer use this site as a learning or informative tool, as I’m sure it was originally set up for, simply because it just gets hijacked by muppets!
Is there any possibility we could have a genuine pilot’s forum (licence number required?) and leave all the others to slag of Ryanair and other airlines/landings/cd player mishaps/drink spillages/toilet paper not soft enough/bumpy turbulence etc?!!?

LGW warrior.Pilot.:ugh:

and ASKAP,it Skavsta, not Skavska.

This is now a VERY worrying trend in Ryanair. Without looking at the microscopic detail as to why this incident happend the big picture is as follows:

1. Off the hard and on the the Grass then take off incident.
2. Off the end with pax evacuation.
3. Stuck in the dirt on runway line up
4. Wingtip strike.

All 4 incidents in so many months WHY?
Because Ryanair does not have a proper training and saftey culture full stop. The guys don't take the time to brief they pay lip service to some longwinded script about emergencys and setting thrust just so the CVR can point the blame at them if it all goes wrong. The guys dont have the time and CULTURE to work through these finer points when going to these tinpot places.
I am sad to say it, but it is only a matter of time now before the big one! And it will probably be Borris in the left seat with Christofalofalis in the right seat with Katya as PU and a tribe of other nationalities all with differing mother toungs with minimum experience and maximum pressure!
Yes I don't like Ryanair or anything they do or stand for as I have said before they are the Cancer of European aviation.

"Sit back relax and enjoy the fright":ugh: