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Swiss Avro Greaser in LCY
this one has it all:
nice crosswind, possible windshear, hard landing, possible tailstrike, massive wingflex, 2.5 bounces, nosewheel touchdown before mains & nice drift! no idea when but no, it's not the one that ended up on the barge. |
Ouch! But they walked away from it........
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Holy *hit that one is bad!!
I start flying them soon based at LCY... must learn how to fly again!! JJB |
ouch :eek:
what a great find!! That nose wheel got a good work out too.... |
They should not have continued that approach ...
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"ladies and gentlemen, we have attacked london and they have surrendered"
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Must have a been a few holes in the seat while trying to keep it straight on the runway with only the nosewheel and right man. Thumbs up to those designers at Avro. They built it as tough as a C-152 which is good in todays environment with alot of low timers coming off C-150's straight into a jet :}
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Slomo:
http://www.youtube.com/v/UG8HfLsZqs0 I thought I had a good understanding of how the Lift Spoiler system on the hushpuppy worked but after seeing that now I'm not so sure... |
:) how can you have 2.5 bounces ?
Two or three surely ? :) |
Watching the primary flight controls spills the beans.
No understanding of crosswind landings. |
Is this the same jet that was subsequently grounded at LCY, had the titles quickly painted over, and was unceremoniously shipped out of there on a barge last year?
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I think the 'thumbs up' should be given to the designers at De Havilland - the reason its called Avro RJ etc is more to do with the shutdown of Hatfield and the transfer of everything to Woodford- then that bit of BAe Commercial Aircraft business was re-badged as 'Avro'- I know I've still got my Avro name tag. Didn't the 146 have some 'rugged runway' capability as part of its early ( (1980's) sales blurb.
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Wow...:eek: That's an amazing advert for the strength of the airframe.
That sort of technique (or lack of it) is generally reserved for landing on aircraft carriers in a rough sea. Maybe they were doing trials for the Swiss Navy? |
Looks like it's still going sideways even as the clip ends.
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Should be fun trying that in a A318 after a long, dark trans-atlantic crossing :eek:
Damn difficult to hit the tail in a 318 tho :E |
The one shipped out was in Star Alliance livery,
the one in the Video has the reguolar swiss painting! Bit seeing this Video I would like to know what happend to the other Avro. I think they must suffered the same hard landing but including a heavy tail strike! |
woah
I operate into LCY on a regular basis and let me tell you that was an absolute disgrace! (famous last words!) It seemed like he put the nose down just as it enters the frame? Maybe I'm wrong but it could explain the hard touchdown, Note the white lights either side of the centre line, just on the last set of instrument markers. The aircraft must have touched down by those lights but as you can see he was well short of that limit, which seems to suggest that he did actually stuff the nose down for whatever reason. You can experence a loss of energy even that far into the landing phase but putting the nose down was the wrong response, Just needs alot of power to be added until an airspeed decrease is arrested
Happy Landings into LCY everyone! Atreyu |
thats an old video and was previously posted
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I know it is a steep approach, but that ROD near the ground was horrific! And the crosswind technique?!?
PP |
Lcy - Avro Greaser
The last landing I saw that came close to the one on this thread was made by a Buccaneer! At least its uc was designed for carrier landings and the no flare arrival was deliberate!
Must have shaken loose a few fillings methinks.... Crew must either be very tyro or former navy pilots. One shudders to think of the consequences of lift dump devices failing to deploy due to a damaged microswitch. Madbob |
wobble2plank, I'm sure it can be done! :E
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I sincerely hope that any self-respecting crew would have entered 'heavy landing' in the tech log and the aircraft grounded pending an engineering inspection. Given my (limited) experience of the Swiss, I somehow doubt it.
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Dead right. They were the hardest bunch of know it alls I've ever had to train. 'In Swiss we did it this way, in Swiss we did it that way!' Response was normally, 'Sure but you flew for Crossair didnt you?'
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I flew the 146 for 9 years. It was an incredibly easy aircraft to land and I can honestly count on one hand the landings that didn't please me, but nothing remotely as awful that one. Crosswinds were fun and that guy just didn't point it straight when he flared. (* but see comment below)
Mind you I was never checked to operate LCY as our airline didn't start using the airfield until I was about 58 years old. I declined the offer to get checked as I simply could not face those taxi journeys up and down the M11. *Although I never flew into LCY, I do believe the philosophy was to make a minimum flare to avoid "floating" down the runway. But that pilot did seem to take the advice to extremes! Jack Harrison |
As a former 146 pilot myself, I can only marvel at the magnificent design of such a machine - British engineering at its finest!
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When you check the slowmotion version, you can see that the body is touching the runway. is this the ac that was grounded due to heavy tailstrike?
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Thats one hell of a tough undercarriage!
The Czechs build a pretty tough plane as well.... 6 bounces! |
Who the hell was flying that.......a 5 hour PPL Student.....can't be anyone with a CPL surely???
Donkey needs sacking!!!!!:ouch: |
Swiss Avro Greaser, NOT!!
As a 146/RJ training captain in my past life, that sure beats all the ones I saw. And, there were a few interesting ones!! Who the hell taught that guy "crosswind" landings (Crossair??)
If ever there was a need for a go round for another go this is it. The control movements are very interesting and the spoilers come out very late in the episode. But then the Swiss are know for their attitudes as are certain other EU folks!! De Havilland designed a wonderful rugged airplane, and Avro stole it in order to stop it when it was finally, belatedly, getting sorted out?? A most enjoyable airplane that I had a lot of fun teaching people in. Speedbird 48. |
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Crew must either be very tyro or former navy pilots. :ugh: |
The old story was of the new guy at the EEC meeting...
""I am the Swiss Minister of the Navy"" Loud laughter... "Why not? The Italians have a Finance Minister" Matt |
Thread creep I know, but I wonder if the BA038 accident and the Swiss LCY debacle is will encourage airports to automatically film all arrivals on CCTV?
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"Sonny, did we land, or were we shot down?"
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AVRO tank....
Clearly the 146 is tough but is it normal to come into City airport with the airbrakes deployed or was that just part of the "I'm gonner get this down whatever" style of landing? I'm only a PPL but I haven't seen worse anywhere.
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Speedbrake is deployed at 1000' into LCY.
It's a little difficult (though not impossible) to fly a 5.5 degree approach without it. Even on a normal approach, they are deployed prior to landing. |
Did anyone fix the dents in the runway?
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Tandemrotor, We open the airbrake on G/S intercept but I guess some SOP's may be different.
Atreyu |
Used to work at Hatfield, late 80s, early 90s.
In answer to some earlier posts, part of the design concept for the 146 was STOL ops from rough/grass strips with high/dry capability as wel. The marketing people wanted to spread the net wide and snag some of the smaller less "mainstream" operators. We were all very fond of her at Hatfield.....but then, you would be! |
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