E.M,

I assume that is because the terms & conditions packages offered are inadequit to attract the folks who historicaly did the Job.
Umm!, I wonder where aviation will be in 25 years time? Maybe the same methinks.:(

People are only clamoring for pilot jobs now becuase it is percieved to be well paid, glamourous, and fun.

That used to be the case in the marine service, as well. These days it's at the bottom of most people's job aspiration list because it's poorly paid, hard work, and definately not fun! Even as a captain.

I think we are witnessing the end of the 'golden age' of airline flying. That's sad, but inevitable I think if you look at the way the industry business model is headed.

SSD,

I guess it comes down to how much you are prepared to pay to get Pilots who are well trained and kept up to standard. e.g. 2 sim checks a year rather than 1 & who are prepared to submit to laying their career on the line every few months to meet the standard. Would I put up with that for 24K/ann. No way.:rolleyes:

IP - but I'd bet there are folk out there who would..... Not £24K perhaps, but the £40 to £50K region max.

SSD,
You are proberbly right (about the 24K & the fare paying public),worrying isn't it!

I was reading a couple of days ago that GP's salaries have gone up form £65000 to £110000 a year in the last 3 years.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...ndoctor131.xml

When I was a F/O my GP friend and I were on comparable salaries, how many F/O's see £110,000 in 2008?

Whilst respecting the pilot-GP comparison, GP's only kill their patients one at a time, whereas pilots tend to do it in the hundreds.... :eek:;););)

But we are witnessing the commencement of a fresh attack on all pilot terms & conditions, initiated it seems by a few pilot managers in BA who think that they'll have a go at their dedicated workforce.

If BA's code sharing partners and franchises increase their flights to pick up the BA's passengers during strike, it will help the BA's management and the strike will be less effective isn't it? BA will still make money by sending the pax to those partners. I just don't get the IFALPA's rule:confused:

Visual

I have read many of your posts and at least when I'm wrong I'm humble/adult enough to admit it.You on the other hand must be a CRM nightmare to work with,

Ref item 3...try harder..:ugh::rolleyes:

I'm not a fan of PPrune.

I'm not militant.

I feel I must post.

It is most unfortunate for passengers and non-pilot colleagues, that we believe that the intent of Open Skies is to replicate the Jetstar business model. Senior managers know this and are a few phrases short of admitting it. Their assurances are hollow.

I will strike as I believe 90%+ others will. I have the funds to carry out my threat.

100% behind my Union.

Then why bother posting here....and does anyone especially care?:rolleyes:

and from 411AThe point is that he cares enough to try to point out how deeply he (as a non-militant) feels about the situation. In many ways that says more, coming from a non-fan.

To me, it says more than your comment, of which .... who cares what you think?

411A,

You were the reason I stopped visiting the site.

It would appear you are still an utter :mad:.

Leaving aside the arguments either way in this thread I think that Middle Eastern and Far East Airlines and the likes of Ryanair / Easyjet etc are more of a threat to your career aspirations than BA ever will be!

Damigo: BA get virtually nothing from a passenger flying on a codeshare flight operated by someone else and they are down to only 2 franchises - Comair in South Africa and SunAir in Denmark , neither of which can provide capacity outside their specific zones. BA does not get anything for passengers flying on so called alliance partners either. This was true too of the old pools which saw very limited transfer of funds from one carrier to another .Thus if mainline stops flying they have almost nil income.

I should add to the above that there is little in common between Jetstar which operates out of the same country and cities as Qantas mainline and Open Skies which is an entirely offshore operation. I agree that the threat to BA's pilots is outside BA and not in this relatively minor forray into direct Europe-USA operations. Any strike will only further debilitate BA from within and is totally irrelevant to the real threats to long terms careers, pay and conditions etc. The reality is nothing like some of the more hysterical postings above and folk should hesitate before getting over excited about this one. If it were flying into the heartland of LHR that would be a different matter but it's unlikely to ever have the resources and investment to do so. Nor is it going to divert business from mainline BA as high yield transfer business through there from cities like Paris with direct flights to New York has no reason to fly via London.

Dale Moss
 

A section of Associated Press article, ref. open skies, read online :-

"We've got to use the entrepreneurial spirit of a small company -- the hungriness, and a little bit of the fear -- that says 'hey listen, if we're not successful, we don't exist,'" Moss said.

"a little bit of fear" - i.e. do as we say or your sacked.

Time for BA pilots to stick up for themselves.

Skylion, your last sentence is not easy to understand.
Then where will the slots at JFK come from?

I thought that if Openskies couldn't gain fresh slots at JFK then it would fly to EWR instead?

I believe that if slots are not forthcoming to operate into JFK then some of BA's existing slots will be used and the displaced BA services transferred to EWR. I learned that from somebody who is well placed to know.

Skylion, I would suggest reading the website http://www.baplane-bapilot.org/ if you would really like to understand what this is all about but I suspect that you don't.