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maxalt 23rd Mar 2007 18:56


Rule number one in this business is don't venture outside your core market unless you want to risk getting badly burned.

You may laugh but long haul is on the Ryanair agenda
Is Ryanair gonna get burned?
This'll be fun.

Dan Air 87 23rd Mar 2007 21:02

Not only Ryanair but can you imagine the spate of new LCC's for the trans atlantic market using every available Boeing & Airbus aircraft? It is just a matter of time before Ryanair, Easyjet et al announce some pretty hefty new a/c orders for the B737-900ER, B767 / A330/ A340 for these routes! I wonder how many pax Mr O Leary will be able to cram into a Boeing for these routes?

llondel 23rd Mar 2007 21:10

I'd like to see the results of loading several hundred people into a widebody jet in a free-for-all for seat assignment with a 30 minute turnaround :-) (from a safe vantage point, of course...)

Skylion 23rd Mar 2007 21:20

Bermudatriangle: The US domestic market has always been a red herring and as you say there would be utterly no point in European carriers entering it. However the dynamics of intra-Europe and Europe to the rest of the world are very different, particularly in the case of the high volume and least nationalistic UK market. BA would stand no chance on Paris-New York but AF or LH could make a fist of London- New York if they wanted to put the aircraft into it. UK to the rest of the world is potentially very lucrative even at a single daily frequency and US carriers could easily compete on say London- Bangkok.
As I said, it's a very one-sided deal and is about a lot more than just the trans Atlantic route. UK has given all, the US nothing.

maxalt 23rd Mar 2007 21:28


I'd like to see the results of loading several hundred people into a widebody jet in a free-for-all for seat assignment with a 30 minute turnaround :-) (from a safe vantage point, of course...)
Yeah, and after 6 hours with their knees in their faces, eating 10 euro plastic sarnies, arriving into 'New York East' (Windsor Locks) and 'Boston North' (Bangor Maine) - with fleets of busses to take them to Kennedy and Logan for their onward journies of course.

I doubt those hour long taxi delays and International Landing Charges in KJFK would suit MOL?

dusk2dawn 23rd Mar 2007 22:42

A link to the full agreement, please?

PPRuNe Pop 24th Mar 2007 07:06

There is a thread on this same subject in Airlines, Airports and Routes here, which has been running since October. It is up to date with the latest information and very informative.

There is, of course, no need for two threads and this one is now closed.


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