Biman A310 accident DXB Mon 12th March
 

I understand DXB is closed this morning with a Bangladesh airlines flight blocking the runway, anyone got any further info?

From the "College Times":

Malfunction on Biman Airlines injures 14; shuts Dubai airport
(AP)

12 March 2007

DUBAI — An apparent mechanical malfunction on a Bangladeshi airliner injured 14 passengers and closed Dubai International Airport, an airport official said on Monday.


Bangladesh’s Biman Airlines Flight 006 was taking off at 6:30 a.m. Monday when a “small incident” occurred that caused the takeoff to be aborted and the plane halted on the runway, said the airport official, speaking on customary condition of anonymity.

Fourteen injured passengers were taken to a hospital and the plane was quickly evacuated, the official said.

The plane was travelling to the Bangladeshi capital Dhaka.

A Dubai government-owned radio station said the Middle East’s busiest airport would be closed for as long as 12 hours and asked travellers to phone their airlines for more information. Incoming flights were being diverted elsewhere.


http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayA...on=theuae&col=

The knock on effect for EK will be a nightmare!!!!!

You know, you'd think in a city that can slap a 60-storey building up (and I do mean "slap it up", *shudder*) seemingly overnight, that maybe they could get their heads out of their asses and finish the other runway.

Then again, that's Dubai. Building the tallest building in the world...but don't even have home delivery postal service. The world's most luxurious hotel...and arguably some of the world's worst traffic...

:ugh:

Airport closed. A310 off end of RWY 12 L. Nose landing gear collapse, and slides deployed.

Just heard DXB ground inform an aircraft waiting for clearance to expect the airport to be shut down atleast till 0930Z at the earliest.

Goodness........I hope they didnt` do any damage to that classic 707 static display at the end of the runway! Maybe they should just drag the Biman jet to the side of it to expand the collection!

Divert to RAK.!!!
 

All take offs will now be from RAK, to save DXB....

The 311 Highway will be busy this morning.

I remember seeing a Biman DC-10 bowing for prayers off the end of the runway in Dhaka years ago, probably around 1993. Also, Biman ran a DC-10 off the runway in Chittagong in 2005 as I recall.

FedEx had an A-310 runway overrun in Manila in 1999, the pilots were fired but ALPA later got their jobs back. After $20 million in repairs the A-310 was put back in service, unfortunately, the same day a FDX MD-11 went off the runway in Subic.

Seems like DXB has been in single runway operation forever. Will the EK aircraft recover in SHJ perhaps and bus the pax back to DXB?

Biman A310 nose collapse!
 

Yes I'm sure they will, to where its' predeccors parked once upon a time, namely PIA & Aeroflot(?).

No details yet murmoured, however eye-witness reports state, bang was heard then nose gear collapsed, on the rwy past the half way mark, on the T.O. roll, 12L.
came to a grinding halt in a spray of angle-grinder effects on the end of the rwy. No fire or disastrous conditions evident.

I can only deduce that crew experienced something with the NLG & decided an abort, which then caused the collapse, possibly dragging the gear aft & under the fuselage???
They must have been very close to Vr, which would mean light loads on the gear at that time.

Will keep posted.

Anyone heard a rumour about the Biman A310 hitting a "foreign object" lying on the runway immediately prior to the gear collapsing.......?

Photo and story here;http://www.gulfnews.com/nation/Traff.../10110582.html

Biman has a history of shoddy finances and has never made a profit. I would be interested in seeing its maintenance history for all of its remaining few aircraft. One of the reasons people still fly international with Biman, is that it normally allows over 42kg luggage per passenger free with each ticket.

http://www.dubaiairport.com/DIA/Engl...6+Accident.htm
Looks like it connected with something at speed on the runway? Note they say " Had an accident during departure".

Got to love the Gulfnews reporting:

It's only got two engines and the text implies that the broken wheel was a direct result of the engine fires.

Biman
 

"Biman has a history of shoddy finances and has never made a profit. I would be interested in seeing its maintenance history for all of its remaining few aircraft. One of the reasons people still fly international with Biman, is that it normally allows over 42kg luggage per passenger free with each ticket."

If memory serves, I think it was also (and maybe still is) not too fussy about people smoking on international flights :D

There we go. Just recently the EU banned the A310’s from PIA flying into Europe, due to serious safety standard doubts. GCAA (UAE) saw no reason to do the same which quickly evoked the thanks by Pakistan to their (o-quote) “Muslim Brothers” for accepting their reassurance that all their aircraft were serviced to the highest international standard. So the religion card was played at the safety game, we all agree it has nothing to do there.
Another brother now inflicts some serious delays to Dubai with a equally doubtful A310. It’s the standard of maintenance and crew that matters, not implying that it necessarily led to this accident, however at the same time it cannot be ruled out. If the ME wants to play a major role in international aviation, it has to abolish its double standard lots of us suspect in applying safety and crewing standards of local talent.
Physics, Mother Nature and especially Mr. Murphy make no difference between the players. As we share the same air and groundspace with these players, please accept that I am NOT trying to discriminate anyone, but simply want to remain safe while going after my business. I think we have a right to bring this subject up to a professional discussion.

First 777 just landing on 30R , so seems all open....??

Was so nice and quite here in Uptown....

4G:)

Dont know about smoking, but I flew domestic with them 5 months ago. Passenger in front noticed his seat was wet (vomit). Unsmiling stewardess gave him a blanket to sit on. He sat on it, he had no choice. He wasn't smiling either.

Anyway, if you search on pprune for Biman, you will see some postings on how they are on the brink of bankruptcy (they've been on the brink for some 16 years or so).

CNN now saying "Some officials are saying this was caused by a malfunction in the aircraft and that its heavy weight caused the problem"

Regardless of how sh!t the operation or A/C, I think its worth mentioning that by all accounts the crew did a good job. :D

No deaths, so thats always a relief.

Somone always bring that up, and most times it´s true. This time, I´m not so sure. Presure from above should never lead to a poorly maintained A/c leaving the tarmac. Front crew is last in line to keep it from happening.

According to airliners.net, there was earlier today a Cathay Pacific cargo 747 bursting a tire on landing with debris remaining on the runway. So far no news that would connect it with the Biman incident, thou.

Can a piece of a tire on the runway actually break a nosegear?

no, but according to the tower the left engine caught fire, that could be caused by ingesting some tire fragments.

Agreed.

Doesn't explain how the nose gear collapsed though and, lets face it, that was the real issue today.

According to my in depth investigation that is now complete, there are two possible causes.

(1) The Biman crew rejected beyond Vr and "lowered" the nose gear onto the runway thereby breaking the Nose Gear.

(2) Poor maintenance resulted in the nose gear collapse at some point on the TO roll.

Pilots say (2), Engineers say (1).

Seriously, they used all 4000m of 12L so they must have been moving rather quickly at RTO time.

short approach, well said!

There's other "non-confirmed" reports that the nose wheels were off the deck before being smashed back into the ground, which they would have been, in order to destroy the NLG! These bits are pretty tough!

This possibly after attempting an RTO due engine problem at Vr + speeds, not the wisest moves from the boys up front, me thinks?

Now just waiting for the proposed "uncommanded elevator down deflection", scenario! Very Unlikely.

They're extremely lucky they came to a halt so promptly, with the added assistance of both belly & engine intakes acting as additional friction brakes. could have easily plowed into the 707 static display & other array of private BBJ's & the likes, collecting dust down in that corner.

Absolutely no bearig on this story, but (thankfully) at a time when Dubai had two operational runways, a B747 from another country that Bangla Desh was once part of blocked the same runway and wiped out all the ILS aerials after the crew aborted a takeoff and ran a long way off the end of the runway before the aircraft came to a halt. I believe the accident inquiry found that they had aborted at VR+15, well after rotation had commenced.

The crew were hailed as heroes in both the local media and the media of their home country.

Wiley,
That wasnt the same incident that was reported on here quite a long while ago,when the captain got too close to one of the portacabins next to the runway was it???Do believe he demolished them???
It was posted on here,and had me in absolute stitches,I must find it and print it out to keep(It was definately from a country out that way somewhere!!)

Most airbus used optimized speeds to improve performance.I have seen speeds of 160kt+ at medium weights across the entire airbus family for take off.Also with a very long runway they may have been using 15/0 as a flap setting which gives a very long ground roll.

Wiley et al,

For those of us who have ventured to the likes of DXB only recently, how long ago was it that Dubai had two working runways, and why do they only have one now?

Also, aren't they building some bloody huge airport out by Jebel Ali that is designed to someday be the "world's largest?" I understand it's supposed to start out for freight ops only, but can anyone relate the status of that? Thanks.

Howling...
 

Don't start me on the 'other runway' issue (oops looks like you have :p ) , it has been a protracted, frustrating and shockingly busy time for all concerned with the delays in getting the other runway completed. In fact not even convinced it will ever happen!!

It has meant extra spacing for arrivals which with the unprecedented traffic growth has led to significant delays. This coupled with the closure of our major air route to Europe via PAPA due to a childish political spat between UAE and our neighbours in Iran has compounded this with outbound flow restrictions as well. This is due to the airway that utilises a procedural boundary, b*oo*y dangerous airway too I might add!!! :uhoh:

Have had some unconfirmed stories as to what happened with the runway, the first was that due to heavy equipment using the runway for tranisting to and from works areas damage was induced the latest, more entertaining and quite feasable delay was due to the fact the runway PCN rating was not suitable for 777 ops....:D Good effort, probably only half of the locally based airlines fleet affected!!!

Just another MEM (Middle East Moment). The place is being run by absolute numpties. :hmm:

fox3 :ok:

The Jebel Ali Intl "O Hare" project is in full steam ahead with 6 runways planned there!

I wonder if anyone has yet sat down & figured out the traffic flow patterns & accommodation, what with Abu Dhabi Int 150kms down the drag( & growing rapidly - ETIHAD base), DXB Intl, which isnt going anywhere in the near future(ie - demolition) Sharjah Intl 20 kms NE from DXB, & then there's still RAK & Al Ain airports within spitting distance !!!7
I sincerely hope that CAT 3 ops will be available at JA (unlike DXB Intl) to cater for the mist that rolls in there frequently, although on every occurence where it causes upsets & mass diversions, its again branded as "UNPRECEDENTED"! yeah right!

All Looks & Sounds very GRAND!

Video here

Click here to watch dubai-plane-crash

The A-310 did a high speed abort and the nose gear collapsed right behind us: We were parked at E-41 ad had landed 1/2 earlier.
I was trying to sleep for the 3 hour ground stop, but heard popping noises like engines stalling in full reverse. Did not think much of it and just rolled over in bed.

5 minuttes later some guy comes running up the ladder and screams "aircraft on fire, evacuate, evacuate...

Turns out all the smoke from the A-310s melting rubber had blown over to us and freaked out the Pakistani loaders, they thought we were on fire and ran for their life.

Some of them thought of waking up the flight crew. Thanks mates.

We went to the hotel for a good rest and came back for a 1500Z departure.
The airport was remarkable calm with no log-jams on the taxi-ways or too much radio clutter. The controllers did a hell of a good job in my opinion.
(In case somebody asked...:ok: )

The 310 was hauled off and parked 2 over from us. We got a good look, the engines were flat underneath like the B-737-300s :sad:

Remind me to carry more gas next time I go to a single-runway airport...:cool:

About Dubai
 

YA,
A biman A310 burst a main tyre , rejected T/O at high speed more tyre burst and nose gear collapsed at the end.
Runway closed for 8 hrs and then reopened after towing the aircraft away.
Couple a major injuries during evacuation and the rest were minor.

wingman

you sound informed on this matter!
any details as to which tyres burst and in what order? stories circulating it was nose wheel/s 1st, then mains after RTO?
still I cant see 1 deflated nose wheel, resulting in a NG collapse!
this would have to be compounded by excessive speed or overweight etc.
any facts regarding existing debris on rwy being the primary cause?

You only have to watch the vid to see the nose gear collapse was way before the end of the runway!

So where is the evidence of a "poorly maintained" aircraft which the crew should not have taken please? Why did that post rate a "well done"?

Talk about mud slinging...