Indonesian Air Safety
Time for IATA to have a close examination....the recent record is abominable, without doubt.No possibility of coincidence, I am sure.
I wonder who is supposed to regulate Air Safety within Indonesia. Any ideas? And do IFALPA have any involvement with their colleagues in that country? Not trying to stir it here, just wondering what can be done, short of grounding the carriers. |
At least 49 killed in Indonesian plane accident: official
JAKARTA : At least 49 people were killed when an Indonesian plane burst into flames upon landing in the central city of Yogyakarta on Wednesday, according to a provincial spokesman.
Witnesses said the front wheel of the Garuda Indonesia plane burst as it touched down, causing flames to shoot into the air and triggering a series of explosions which sent the aircraft skidding off the runway. Australian diplomats and journalists covering Foreign Minister Alexander Downer's visit to Indonesia were among those on the flight from the capital Jakarta. Downer was not on board, Australian officials confirmed. "I saw many bodies, dozens of bodies badly burnt near the exit," Captain Yos Bintoro, an airport official, told Elshinta radio. "I saw people dead in the cockpit," he added. Television pictures showed firefighters battling giant flames and thick smoke spewing from the broken fuselage as it lay smouldering in the grass off the end of the runway. The tailfin bearing the blue colours of Garuda, Indonesia's national carrier, was almost sheared off. Transport Minister Hatta Rajasa told Metro TV station that the plane was carrying 133 passengers and there were 76 confirmed survivors. Reports said seven crew were also on board. The incident is just the latest in a series of crashes and safety scares involving Indonesian airliners which have forced the government to set up a team to urgently improve transport safety. "I was sleeping then the plane slammed twice and I heard people screaming. It was dark and there was smoke everywhere. I saw many passengers hurt," said Din Syamsuddin, the chairman of Indonesian Muslim movement Muhammadiyah, who was on the plane. "I was sitting not far from the emergency door. I felt someone guide me to the right," he said. "There were many people inside the plane when I got out." Ngadiman, a witness to the accident, told the detikcom news website: "The front wheel burst, then there was an explosion from the front and then the rear wheels burnt as well." Dozens of injured people were taken to hospital. "16 people were brought into the hospital, with injuries ranging from bad to minor," Paulus, from the Panti Rini hospital, told ElShinta. Around 50 injured people had been taken to a separate, air force hospital near the airport, a Metro TV report said. One of the injured is a foreign correspondent from the Sydney Morning Herald newspaper and was being operated on, said Widodo, a doctor at Sarjito Hospital. The Australians on the aircraft included one foreign affairs department official, a federal policeman and "at least five media representatives", Sky television reported from Canberra. It was believed some of the Australians had survived, but further details were not available, Sky said. The Japanese government said it believed at least two Japanese nationals were on board. The city of Yogyakarta, which lies 450 kilometres (280 miles) southeast of Jakarta, is renowned as the centre of classical Javanese art and culture. Indonesia's flight safety record has come under renewed scrutiny since an Adam Air Boeing 737-400 with 102 people on board crashed into the sea off the island of Sulawesi on New Year's Day with no survivors. Last Friday a Boeing 737-200 operated by local Indonesian carrier Merpati Nusantara was forced to make an emergency landing on Batam Island after the pilot reported a dangerous oil leak. - AFP/c |
Name of passengers Garuda
07 March 15.14 WIB, from http://www.republika.co.id/online_de...5316&kat_id=23
Passengers were injuried in Panti Rapih Yogyakarta Hospital, Korban yang dirawat , dan sebagian diperbolehkan pulang terdiri; 1. Hendi Yuniarsa (L/30) Lebak Bulus (Karyawan BCA Finance) pulang (Arta Hotel) 2. Abdul Haris (L/24) Tangerang (Karyawan BCA Finance) pulang (Arta Hotel) 3. Yulita (P/24) Wonosari (Karyawan BCA Finance) pulang (Arta Hotel) 4. Iswanto (L/27) Depok (Saphir Yogyakarta) pulang 5. Yulia Kusuma (P/30) Cijantung inap CB5/523 6. Asti Peranginangin (P/54) Pondok Labu, Jakarta Timur 7. Saiful Rahmat (L/37) Tangerang inap CB5/515 8. Suparo (L/50) Bekasi rawat jalan (Quality Hotel) 9. Soni Indarto (L/40) PT Sari Husada inap E61/108B 10.Jimmi Kurnia (L/45) Kemayoran 11.Ami Widiastuti (P/27) Bintaro rujukan RS Panti Rini 12.Purwoko Joko P (L/32) Wukirsari Cangkringan Sleman rawat jalan 13.Papip M (P/25) Karyawan BCA Finance pulang (Arta Hotel) 14.I Ketutu Putra E (L/42) Wisma MM UGM inap MP15 VIP 15.Susiyanti (P/45) Permata Hijau, Jaksel inap MP14 VIP 16.Ti Wan Li (L/46) Permata Hijau, Jaksel inap MP14 VIP 17.Nunik Savitri (P/30) Bogor (PT. Sari Husada) 18.Ashari Mekta (L/46) Cimanggis inap CB6/615 19.Riil Pasaribu (L/47) Magelang 20.Reni Gonowati (P/46) Terban 21.Kenji Yamada (L/31) Jepang 22.Tunggul Yogi (L/41) Candigebang, Sleman Passengers injuries in Bethesda Yogyakarta Hospital; 1. Adrianus (L/40) Cimanggis Ruang Shinta 5 2. Agus Sutrisno (L/37) Bekasi 3. Aji Munawar (L/34) Pontianak Anggrek 5 4. Arif Budiman (L/37) Serpong, Tangerang pulang 5. Budiyarti (P/40) PuloGadung Anggrek 6. Djohan Tanuwidjaja (L/40) Tangerang 7. H. Parlindungan Lubis(L/49) Pekanbaru 8. Firdaus (L/42) Jakarta Selatan Petronella 9. Francis Kartika Dewi (P/26) Ciputat Galilea 413 10.I Wayan Joko Astina (L/52) Sidoarjo Jasmine 3 11.Ida Wardani (P/39) Bekasi Jasmine 6 12.Indri Prastanti (P/26) Lebak Bulus 13.Ir. Gunawan Lucito (L/51) Duren Sawit Srikandi 1 14.Ito Shinji (L/45) PT. Sony Indonesia Jakarta pulang 15.Jimmi Maniar Nadadap (L/30) Kebayoran Lama Galileo 310 16.Juli Astuti (P/38) Cibubur, Bekasi Anggrek 17.Ketut Sunadi (L/50) BPN Jakarta Pusat Bakung 4 18.Mahfud Hadi Wijaya (L/57) Tebet (pulang) 19.Michel Hatton (L/47) Canberra(Staff Menlu Australia) 20.Nurgum Batubara (P/55) Tanjung Priok (pulang) 21.Petrus Cahyadi (L/32) Jakarta Utara 22.Poppi Mahfud (P/56) Wirobrajan 23.Reza Badri (L/32) Pondok Bambu 24.Ridwan Anthony S (L/43) Duren Sawit (pulang) 25.Roli Irawan (L/44) BPN Jaktim 26.Ronald Stefanus Gunawan (L/32) IMC Tebet Barat, Jakarta 27.Ruth Meigy Panggabean (P/30) Jakarta Pusat (Petronela) 28.Santi Hendara (P/30) Pontianak (Petronela) 29.Slamet (L/29) Sarihusada Yogyakarta Anggrek 30.Sri Irianti, SKM M Phill (P/48) Tangerang 31.Suarno (L/24) Pontianak (Petronela) 32.Suyatno (L/63) Pejaten Barat Jakarta 33.Yulianti (P/39) Cileduk, Jakarta 34.Kyle Quinlan (L/23) Canbera Australia antara is |
RoyHudd
IATA has nothing to do with safety (even they pretend to do so), it is only about money. It should be ICAO to address this. DGCA (DIRECTORATE GENERAL OF CIVIL AVIATION) is responsible body there. |
See http://au.news.yahoo.com for video taken shortly after crash by TV cameraman onboard.
Truly horrific. |
Probably too early to speculate about anything, but I do wonder whatever happened to "Go around, go around, go around" as we're always taught in the world of aviation.
Regardless, RIP to all who didn't survive. |
Originally Posted by Max Tow
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See http://au.news.yahoo.com for video taken shortly after crash by TV cameraman onboard.
Truly horrific. |
the video is not that horrific, i have seen more injuries in a football riot video...
but i did notice, flap was not fully deployed, looks like take off flap settings were used for landing.. looks to be leading edge slats extended, and about 15 deg flap. |
With regards to Garuda's safety record, I care not to comment directly. However, it is a fact that since 1950 they have lost 595 pax + 1 'ground fatality' in 15 accidents plus have suffered a further 3 serious accidents that were non-fatal.
Todays accident is a truly tragic event, as is any aircraft accident, and I feel for those whom are either directly or indirectly involved in this tragedy. With all the rumours and speculation concerning the moments immediately prior to touchdown, it is hard to know what is truth and what is speculation or sensationalism. What intrigues me however is the report of severe buffeting as the aircraft crossed the threshold, presumably not a stall as by all accounts thus far the a/c landed hot and hard, but again this is only speculation. As with any accident, only time will tell. My sincerest condolences to all involved |
20 dead now....previous figure stated wrongly by News Channels:(
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BBC now saying 22 dead :(
Condolences to all the families. BSB, Dont know if this is true, but BBC say it was on fire before it landed, so go around not really an option. |
Here's a video from You Tube of the 737 in flames.
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video taken shortly after crash by TV cameraman onboard. Reports are also saying that the nose wheel was on fire before landing, what could possibly cause that ? |
Blackace,
Possibly, but also possibly such footage could be useful in the investigation. Condolences to the victims. |
From the scenes shown here on Oz TV news it seems that the fire/crash crews were a bloody long time getting there.
Wx seemed CAVOK |
Being surrounded by water & rice paddies will stop most fire trucks!
Based on the position of the approach lights, and the perimeter road, and the wind direction, the aircraft may have come down before reaching the runway! Just a thought. |
From the Garuda website - current as at 0700Z
"Information on passengers of GA200 14:00 Jakarta Time Among 133 passengers onboard GA200, 112 passengers survived while the other 21 passengers perished. One among the 7 crewmembers also perished. Survivors are being treated in hospitals around Yogyakarta. For inquiries please contact the family assistance center at 021-5506721, 021-5500747. or for Yogyakarta 0274-7461802 Other contact numbers: Garuda Indonesia head office crisis center: 021-2311393 and/or facsimile no. 021-2311105. Customer care: 021-2310049 and 021-3520461 Garuda Indonesia Call Center: 0807-1-807807 or 021-23519999" |
Possibly, but also possibly such footage could be useful in the investigation. If he did not carry the camera off the plane then I apologise for pointing out this possible error of judgement, but I fail to see how a broadcast quality camera would be lying near the plane or another TV crew got to the crash before the fire tenders. The fact the video is useful is secondary. Prime consideration should be for evacuation and saving lives. |
runway is 7200 feet long...oriented 9/27
does anyone have a way of getting wx at time of crash? reports of rain, possibly runway wet, x winds |
blackace,
You are making accusations when nobody yet knows the circumstances. Reporters I know would have had the camera to hannd at all times. even during the flight, in order to film anything of interest. If he was holding it to film the landing through the window I can't see anyone leaving it behind deliberately. Wait until there is more info before making unfounded aspersions, you sound like a manager.:ugh: |
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