Ha ha,

i still don't have a clue to be honest even with the addition of no one likes you. You mentioned in a post from Dec 06 that you were flightdeck but got involved in CC recruitment. Was that a slight fib on your part.

Rgds.

Funny old thing.


There I was, along with many others on here who start a normal discussion involving a perceived flight safety issue and now it turns out it was ' just a good old wind up'. Well blow me down with a feather. I thought for a minute it might have involved peoples lives so i'll step down from my sanctimonious high horse and stick with Jet Blast. That's where the real jokes are, eh? Why does that always seem to happen when somebody finally realises the majority view is against them.


Come on out to the Middle East Mr. Monarch Man. Face saving has been perfected off to a fine art out here! You'll fit in just great. :suspect:

That would require me to have a face or credibilty to begin with!

You can keep the mideast, as it happens EK turned me down, something
to do with poor R/T standards and a lack of airmanship.

Sorry Khaosai, I though by CC you meant Company Council, my mistake.

Hi BYMONEK,

don't think he will get through one of your CRM courses though !.

Rgds.

Are people still discussing this issue?

...And add circuit direction
 

APE got it right!

Wonder what Monarch Man would make of a Mil Airfield that told him to join 24 right HAND?

And, come to think of it, how would he handle VFR circuit joining instructions to a parallel runway situation (if the mil ever got a place with parallels!) “join, 24 Right, right hand, QFE etc”.

On another thought; picture the scene with a 24L, right hand!:eek:

For the avoidance of doubt, I am being mischievous. :E

If he doesn't work for Monarch, he doesn't have to worry.

If he does work for Monarch, he knows how good the IT Department is, so either way, he's unlikely to be worried!

from MM,
Phraseology is not the big safety net people seem to be convinced of
Odd use of english I know; however, every little helps and correct phraseology can help avoid confusion which on the whole can't be bad thing.

Nor can a little refresher every now and then, just to remind oneself what correct phraseology is (it does change sometimes.)

Not necessarily so, ZeBedie. As long as there is even a faint chance that 'Monarch Man' does actually work for that airline, as a prudent, cautious SLF I am obliged to ensure that my family, friends and co-workers (all of whom I value highly) avoid flying with Monarch. No doubt Monarch's lawyers would enjoy talking to 'Monarch Man' or his representatives regarding his use of their name, and his apparent delight in dragging their name into disrepute.

This really is getting pathetic. Keep going guys. I reckon less than 24 hours to getting this thread shut down with all that anonymous bravado. I'm sure Monarch are really worried that some anonymous PPruner is not going to fly with them because of his paranoia over someones user name. :rolleyes:

You reckon, Cargo Boy? A quick trawl of El Reg throws up:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10...blog_grounded/

along with a variety of similar stories.

Personally I find MM's "refuse to stop digging until I have to use the wind-up defence" attitude scary enough. We don't have standard RT in paragliding but even there people have learnt that sloppiness literally kills. Anyone with even the remotest understanding of how the brain works can see through the "there's only one ILS" argument in a split second.

Wake up a bit guys....you are dealing with a wind-up merchant.

For your info, since June 2006 when this "Monarch Man" registered, there is not one single entry in the private monarch forum from this character....which with a mouth as large as his, is somewhat unusual is it not?

This thread is ridiculous and I'm suprised it hasn't been locked by now as you all plainly aren't interested in the topic title - just tit for tat one-upmanships.

Grow up guys.
:ugh:

Given MM seems to be on here every two minutes, I doubt whether he is even a pilot, certainly can't fly much.
If he is with MON, then it does make you think twice about booking to fly with his outfit.

Man Tower
 

Quote:
As of 7th July 2007, Manchester Airport's runway assignments will be changed in relation to the Magnetic Compass bearings. The current headings for the runways are 054° and 234° with assignments 06L/24R and 06R/24L respectively (11/1/07). The new runway changes will mean the new assignments will be 05L/23R and 05R/23L respectively.

Guess dummies & toys will really get thrown out of the pram when this is implemented:{

Tower "Cowboy 555 cleared to cross 23Right at Golf one and hold at Victor one"

Cowboy 555 "OK"

Tower "Cowboy 555 please read back your crossing clearance"

Cowboy 555 "No, stop being petty"

Tower ":mad: "!!!

I just remembered why I stopped looking at this form..... I wonder what on earth posessed me to come back ?

If you do get some leave or time off to reflect on your standards of CRM, you may wish to look at the following link: http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP413.PDF

Happy bedtime reading!:ugh:

Unfortunately too many posters on this thread appear to miss the point of someone playing the devils advocate and really do appear to take some of it too seriously. It also appears to me that a lot of those that are getting quite upset on this thread are, but not exclusively so, not professional pilots or ATC people.

In view of the amount of upset that the interdiction by non-professionals has had on a few of the more easily upset professionals, I think that it is probably time to put this thread to bed. Having operated in and out of Manchester for well over ten years, all I can say is that they are a fine bunch of controllers and always enjoyed expeditious arrivals when arriving from the west. If they've decided to have a crackdown on non standard or irregular RT then good luck to them. It never hurts to be reminded from time to time about the correct way to say something.

Why so many on here should get so upset about it though, I have no idea. Is it only me that has noticed a marked improvement from some of the US carriers pilots that operate into MAN in their RT? Perhaps all that repetition until they get it right does work after all.

Before I make a final decision on whether this thread really should close, perhaps some of the pedants who have taken so much umbrage on here should spend a bit more time in the USA at the busiest airports and listen to how they manage to move so much heavy metal around without them all coming into physical contact with each other or falling out of the sky. I'm not condoning the fact that there is a definite lack of standardisation in the USA but some posters on here would have us believe that the perfectionism that they crave when it comes to RT must be observed by everyone else or else there will be a big disaster. It just ain't so. :rolleyes:

Just a quick minor hijack:
CAP413: "Runway 24R cleared to land c/s".
Back to topic... Personally, as a GA wannabe doing ATPL groundschool, I've got enough time in my life to add a runway designator if required.

Speaking as an individual who is in reality, a bit of a pragmatist, a student of flight safety, and on a personal level, someone with a passion for getting things right, I feel an explanation for my position is required.

First and foremost, I will happily hold my hand up and say that I have deliberately played the devils advocate. The thread topic in itself had already elicited some emotive responses before I contributed, and along the way I made various representations from a personal perspective. Again however I must reiterate that these are personal opinions and not the position of the company that bears part of my user name.

There are those of you on here that have been particularly vitriolic in your condemnation of my comments, I can only conclude that whilst your views are in contravention of mine, they have served to highlight certain common misconceptions of the processes that we utilize to improve flight safety, and as a general observation, miss the opportunity to view "bigger picture".

Danny eloquently makes his point, you may not think that certain area's are open for debate, but if you close your mind to the fact that we can learn from other methods and ideas, then we are consigning ourselves to mediocrity.

Who says we do things in the UK better and safer than anywhere else?

That is my final contribution to this thread, and I have to say I am disappointed by several posters on here who chose to send me personally insulting private messages.

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