YESTAM is correct. What is a normal maneuvere to us ie 30' bank is a very steep turn to the masses.
This is why there are threads on here smarmily stating how they use patronising terms for turbulence, IE lumps or bumps, during pa's.
You cant have it both ways.
Papers like the Sun project perception and have more influence than a bunch of intolerant sanctimonious pilots.
It is annoying but you must appreciate that despite years of air travel , no aspect of the physics of flying is taught in the national curiculum. Hence the ignorance and the acceptance of laymans interpretations. IE air pockets, pulled up sharpley, dropped from the sky. To the average punter a stall is something your car engine does. Anything else is a crash.
If you cant rise above itdo one of two things. Ignore it or educate people without patronising them , slagging them off or getting on your middleclass high horse.. Its not their fault.
It may come as a shock but if some of you were half as good as you thought you were youd be brilliant.
Dont forget you were not born with a knowledge of flying .(in many cases)...Daddy bought it for you.

Wee one-

Nice rant. Which pretty much totally misses the point.

Expressions such as 'schreeched to a halt by the water's edge' and 'had to pull sharply back up into the sky' are at best mislaeding sensationalism, and at worst simple lies.

Nobody is suggesting that The Sun (gawd bless it) should be using technical language, but this sort of reporting is lazy, unhelpful and untruthful. It does shift newspapers, though.

Further, the graphic is wildly inaccurate, and the comment suggesting the go-around was a 'really narrow miss' is also untrue.

I hope that this clarifies the complaint that is made here by other forum users.

CC

PS: My Daddy didn't pay for my knowledge of flying.

Interesting that Tony Flynn reads the Sun.

I thought it only had pictures:)

Tony...if you want some interesting aviation head for Asia. Adam Air will give you a thrill:}

I don't know if the Bae 146 has autobrakes, but it should at least have anti-skid, which is probably what failed.

Autobrakes
 

You are correct in that the Bae 146 does not have autobraking. The system is made up of yellow and green hydraulics which are separate and redundant to one another. These two systems are backed up by emergency manual brakes, which when used gives raw braking action with no antiskid which would result in burst tires. Outside of the fact that not only were the tires all burst and the brakes welded on the aircraft from the use of emergency brakes. The fact is when all four tires are burst the aircraft is too low and a jack cannot be placed underneat and a crane is therefore required to lift and remove it.

The 146 has carbon brakes,and those does'nt weld like the steel brakes.There is also brake fans.If you brake hard temp can go very high....

Just for those who think these standards of journalism are unique to aviation stories, you only have to look at this weekend's reporting of the Virgin Trains railway accident in the North of England. Repeatedly described in the media was how the train driver, after the high speed derailment, "heroically stayed at the controls to steer the train to safety". Now you don't have to be from a railway background to know that the steering control a train driver has, whether it is derailed or not, is precisely zero. Another one from the "narrowly missed a school" school of journalism.

Brake fans
 

Thats prob correct that they are carbon, but if there is enough heat something metal is bound to stick and brake fans ain't there to cool things down when u engage emergency brakes. If the systems are redundant is it common for both to fail on 146? Did they fail any history of this on 146?

Begtodiffer
and i do

Yes you can lift an a/c with all tyres flat or burst....
you use a jack called an alligator instead of the normal rhino one
has a much lower lifting point though there are not many around
I'll grant you
we used to have one for just that purpose and was only used once by the then dan-air at lgw on one of their 146's that did much the same thing.
What happened to it after the airline bust i don't know
like this
http://www.malabar.com/recvy/65L45.html

Shortly before (about 30 mins) the aircraft began its journey back down the runway to the Jet Centre, I watched a regulation fork-lift truck shamble off towards the 28 threshold.

Perhaps they used that? :}

Sorry.

CC

get it up
 

Maybe ur companies alligator wasn't available and your rhino wasn't enough to do the job, therefore crane was used or maybe that good old regulation fork lift.

I would like to suggest that in days gone by (probably when pilots were not so busy) the Captain would give, not a running commentary, but a few words about what was happening, about to happen, what the pax were about to expereince etc. In my opinion the press can't get much leverage with pax if the Captain has informed the passengers about what has happened and they leave with slightly more knowledge of Aviation then when they boarded.

What a load of rubbish.

I saw it happen and it wasn't that dramatic.

Thank-you so much WHBM - I'm so glad I didn't have to be the first to mention it - I heard it first on SKY news - The SUN of the the TV news world IMHO. I really don't wish to demean the train driver involved, who I have no reason to think is anything but a sterling individual. But how in the media's eyes is he a hero: train hurtling down the tracks and derailment - what :mad:ing choice did he have but to stay at his controls???

"Steering a :mad:ing train" - what next from the enlightened?