Sorry, have I missed something, everybody seems to think that there has been a development, negative of course (of corpse).

I must be further out of the loop than I thought cos I ain't heard nufink.

If it is closing down it can't come as any surprise at this stage. I'll probably be in the U.K. next week so where is the UK VEI wake going to be.

hi ya Al,

no further developments except to say that it ain't completly over yet! still a small glimmer of hope coming from this end!!!

It's EASY to guess why you'll be in the UK.GO on tell us which it is.

Good luck to you and all the best.

Talk to FR. I hear they're looking for some Capts - possibly short contract. Declan Dooney is the man.

Quote by Mr David Hoare Chaiman VEX Dec 12th 2000 " by closing down VEI we can concentrate on our more profitable business in BRU".

So the profitable business VEX wants to concentrate on in BRU lost 65.2m Euros in 2000.

Would you believe by closing VEI they saved the magnificent amount of 2.4m Euros. Now will someone care to tell us, as them Captains of industry runing VEX in BRU put us out of work, who the hell lost the other 62.8m Euros.
This on a turnover of 290m Euros and also on top of a 40m Euro loss in 1999.

All this after borrowing another 20m US from Sir Dickie.

Quote Mr David Hoare Mar 29th 2001 " we are concerned about the level of subsidy Sabena enjoys from the Belgian taxpayer" What the hell does he call 20m US from Dickie then. Quote " There is over capacity in BRU but we expect to break even this year"
Hello Mr Hoare wakey! wakey! there is a small Irish company just starting in BRU who seem to be very good at running a low cost airline.(like 75m profit to your 65m loss) I think your capacity problem is just about to get a whole lot worse.

Michael O'leary was right VEX is a basket case and so are the idiots running it.

Thank god, whatever happens to VEI over the next few days, were well shut of that lot. Wonder if they will be posting any figures for 2001.

OK. It's "so long and thanks for all the fish" - I could only tuff it out till last Monday and then the Bank Manager bit me....so I'll be off then, and now our latest missive from the office is that the investors have APOLOGISED! and the money is on the way........hey - I hope it is -I've got money on it!! But in the mean time g'day - it's been a great couple of years...

s084453 - or whatever your name is - would be VERY interested to know what your interest is in our fate.........

Now, everyone F@ckoffee?

:rolleyes:

I think that the company will close on monday. But it will then be saved at 5 o'clock. Next weeks meetings should be interesting because we will no longer be allied to anybody. Maybe VEX didn't wan't to sell, the Irish cost base must be lower? so when it's dead the new guys will come out of the shadows. TVN is doing more work than ever so how are the Belgians going to manage?

Nice theory BTK - but the money boys work to their own agenda - and the more misery and mayhem that they cause the better they feel -it's all they have for their shrivelled up miserable lives!!!!

so mr or mrs meecoat, off the track a bit there. no comparison comparing apples with oranges (excuse the pun!) but by branson putting in 20 million is different to sabena getting an injection from the government. branson is one investor protecting his interest, 100 million from a government means everyone pays.

Errr... excuse me "Ace" but everything is relative and there are a lot of people losing a greater proportion of their assets/livelihoods than Sir Dick-Brain and unlike him NOT as a result of their best efforts!!! Believe me - there is a comparison here with what Angus (which is a man's name by the way) is saying because within Virgin Express Ireland EVERYONE PAYS.

You have touched a raw nerve here.

Well,what kind of abuse can we expect tomorrow and not to mention the gems of wisdom from the wonder boys??????
"You don`t mind hanging around for a couple of months until we sort it out,....SALARY..ahh you don`t expect to be paid as well do you,how are the wonder boys supposed to live"

to anybody interested do not sign RP 2 unless you are satisfied with the redundancy offered. (or cross out and initial appropriate offending statement)

Word on the street is we're about to be royally 'sh*fted' for our loyalty.
By 1130am tommorrow the speculation will cease. (as will the company?)

Guys, fellow Paddy's alike... the royal shafting seems immenent. Like to take this opportunity to say thanks for a wonderful working environment, the best a first timer could possibly ask for! Was hoping thigs would be different, but thats life!

See you all in the morning, good luck!

Skye,the RP 2 is issued by the state and has to handed into your local social welfare office.
Anything that the company requires you to sign should be looked at very closely.

Thanks Paddy I'll be in the social welfare office tuesday morning.

Next question if we take the cheque tommorrow does that mean we've accepted it as full and final payment?

Think we need to be careful tommorrow, a number of issues need to be addressed.

See you there.

Found this link might be of interest,I think
it will be wise to be very cagey tomorrow.
Just keep reminding ourselves they are out to do us.

http://www.tab.ie/cgi-bin/the_tab_guide.pl

So what is the latest?

From the Sunday Business post

Irish Virgin Express set to close


Will Goodbody
Dublin , Ireland, April 1, 2001

Virgin Express Ireland, the Irish arm of Sir Richard Branson's low-cost airline, will almost certainly close tomorrow, following months of protracted negotiations with a number of potential buyers.


Last Thursday, David Hoare, executive chairman of Virgin Express, said the company would definitely close its Irish operations on April 2, unless a sale was concluded in the meantime. The company has been talking to one potential buyer in particular, he said.


Speaking at the presentation of the company's results for last year, Hoare said that although the potential buyer was still enthusiastic, they were no nearer agreement and he was not prepared to let the situation drag on any longer.


Last Friday, a spokesman for Virgin Express said Hoare and the chief executive of Virgin Express Ireland, Martin Hamrogue, were in constant contact with the interested party, and a last-minute deal could not be ruled out. But industry sources were extremely doubtful about such a prospect. Virgin Express recorded pre-tax losses of e65.3 million last year, compared to e5.5 million in 1999, following a e17.5 million restructuring charge and operating losses of e46.7 million.


The company's response was to end its unprofitable charter contracts, refocus business around its Brussels hub, close bases in Shannon, Gatwick and Berlin and close or sell Virgin Express Ireland. A buyer for the Irish subsidiary was not forthcoming and the company's last remaining route out of Shannon ceased on March 12.


Most of Virgin Express Ireland's 250 staff have been made redundant, and a company spokesman told The Sunday Business Post that nearly all had found alternative employment.

"A company spokesperson said that nearly all staff had found alternative employment"

Who, Where , when? where did this nuget come from????????????????????

It was amazing to receive such a substancial redundancy payment, the fair package from the Virgin group. Total value £00.00.

I'am not joking.

Thank you Sir Richard for your magnanamous severence package. Next time if you wouldn't mind please, I like a little kissing before hand.

People will say he didn't know but is that not his responsability. Ignorance is no defence.

Well boys as advertised we got shafted.
TCC and MH you are offically the lowest forms of life I have ever had the displeasure
of meeting you are sorry excuse for humans I'm sure you wouldn't treat animals that way.

You should take a close look at yourselfs both on a personal and moral level.
Nobody in their right minds should ever go and work for either of you again.
The way we were treated was both madding and sicking.
MH gaves us less than 10 mins and then called out for a phone call wake up to yourself MH.
(By the way what ever your on I'd like some of it!!!!
Oh and of course TCC tried to blame Whore(did I spell that right ??)you BCA boys better watch out your going to get shafted as well.
Anyway I could go on but I'm off to spend my buttons.
To all the guys on the line after nearly 20 years in this game I can safely say I have never worked with a sounder bunch of people we had so much fun together every day was a pleasure to work with you.

I wish success in your new endevers and hope we can meet down route for a few light refreshments.

Good luck to you all!!!!!!


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Hmmm..... and where exactly was your mouth while you were at the meeting?

Quote,"I would like to take this opportunity to thank those of you who demonstrated unyielding loyalty,professionalism and support during this period of uncertainty."
WHAT DID WE GET FOR IT..........SHAFTED ...

Virgin Express shuts
down in Shannon

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
By Éibhir Mulqueen, Midwest Correspondent
Virgin Express Ireland ceased trading as a low-cost carrier at Shannon Airport yesterday, although the prospect remains of the company's assets being sold to a British investment group.

About 80 remaining employees out of 160 who were based in Shannon finished work yesterday afternoon. About 140 cabin crew, some of whom were based in Gatwick and Brussels, were let go in January. Aer Arann has taken over the call centre operation which employs 20 people.

Mr Yves Panneels, corporate communications manager with the group, said the deadline for a deal with a potential investor passed yesterday and the company was being dissolved. He said there was "a slim chance" of a sale being negotiated.

Mr Martin Hamrogue, chief executive of Virgin Express Ireland, said a British investment group, which he declined to name, believed it would be able to re-launch the company. "Without a lot of money, there is no sense in starting an airline. It has just been a problem for them to get that money in place in time," he said. He said the goodwill and management infrastructure was for sale. Until last week, the company had reduced its fleet to one Boeing 737 which was used for "ad hoc charters", according to Mr Panneels.

In December, Virgin Express Holdings, a Brussels-based lowcost carrier quoted on the Nasdaq and controlled by entrepreneur Sir Richard Branson, made the decision to sell or close down the subsidiary. Bases at Gatwick and Berlin were also closed as part of the rationalisation plan to re-focus on Brussels.

Pilots were told yesterday the company was being wound down and were given details of a redundancy package. But Mr Michael Landers, IMPACT's assistant general secretary, has complained to management on behalf of pilots that despite assurances that a generous settlement would be made, minimum statutory redundancy is being paid to 55 pilots. He also stated that management had not engaged in collective consultation.

From today's Irish Independent 03 April 2001

Gate closes on Virgin Express Ireland

VIRGIN Express Ireland officially ceased to be at midnight last night as the deadline to find a buyer for the Shannon Airport-based carrier expired.

The company, which had employed some 220 staff at its Shannon, Gatwick and Brussels bases, had been operating since December 1998 but management yesterday blamed its closure on the hike in aviation fuel prices and the strong US dollar.

Chief executive Martin Hamrogue, however, remained upbeat about the possibility of a deal being pushed through for the launch of another airline in Virgin Express Ireland's place.

Mr Hamrogue said that a UK investment company is interested in taking over from Virgin Express in Shannon and he hoped that this would take place "sooner rather than later."

He would not divulge the identity of the investment company, but said that he expects the deal to go ahead and he will remain on in Shannon himself with a view to seeing it through.

He also confirmed that there was at least one potential buyer for Virgin Express Ireland but that buyer did not have the funds to purchase the company by yesterday's deadline and, as a result, the company officially ceased trading last night.

"Virgin Express Ireland is not being sold because it simply does not exist any more but the relaunch of a new airline in its place is a distinct possibility," said Mr Hamrogue.

Principal management staff, he said, will remain on in Shannon in order to achieve the relaunch but he could not say how many will be employed and what flights will be operated by the new company, if it is launched.

The company is owned by Virgin Express Holdings, in which Richard Branson has a majority stake, and among the non-executive directors on the VEI board was broadcaster Gay Byrne.

Annual accounts for Virgin Express Holdings showed an operating loss of £46m last year alone, compared with a £4.9m operating loss in 1999.

Despite this, Virgin Express Ireland has "no debts of any kind," according to Mr Hamrogue


...but then you knew this already!....

No chance of a job in woolies other ops then?

...

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If you meet these requirements we would welcome an application from you! You can find our application form below. Please remember that we are interested in a wide variety of applicants and will continue to consider each CV on its individual merits. To make the most of the online application process, we will rely on you to fill in the form as fully as possible.

Once you have completed the form we would advise that you take a copy for your own records. If suitable, your application will be added to our database. You will not need to update your details with us more than once a year (unless there are any major changes in your circumstances ie. type conversion, command etc).

Although we cannot acknowledge, please be assured that your application has been received and it is not necessary for you to call and confirm.

If you already have a current application with us you need not reapply! Your details will still be kept on our existing database and we will continue to look through this as and when interviews are set up.

Finally, thank you for applying and good luck!

A spoof e-mail sent to all staff yesterday

Press Release

London, 29th March 2001 - Virgin Express Holdings, pie [NASDAQ: VIRGY - Brussels: POX]
Virgin Express Holdings Plc
Announces 4th Quarter
and Full Year 2000 Results
Highlights
• Virgin Express on track for breakeven in 2001, following years of pissing around.
• Refocused on scheduled flights from Brussels hub (The one loosing the MOST money).
• Shannon, Gatwick and Berlin stations closed (Naturally you guessed it, the ones making money)
• Total loss of EUR 65.2 million. - oh dear.
• Restructuring costs of EUR 17.5 million (EUR 2.8 million in 1999).
• Operating losses of EUR 46.7 million (EUR 4.9 million in 1999).
• Results hit by high fuel prices and US dollar strength... hmm, we never saw THAT coming.
• Yields and load factors growing 100% in 4th Quarter 2000 and 1st Quarter 2001. (10 pax to 20pax)
Chairman's Statement
Year 2000 was a year of refocusing and restructuring, as signalled in my Chairman's report of last year.
I've already been at the helm of the VEI screw-up so you ain't seen nothing yet! We completed the year
with a much-simplified business, focussed on scheduled passengers for a change, from a Brussels hub,
to eight European locations, although how Ryanair manage to expand to that many routes each season is
beyond me. This completes phase one of three phases to return our company to anything like a profit.
Phase two will concentrate on improving the quality of the product (by wast er spendin er investing
resources) and delivering profits, ready for expansion in phase three, into a rapidly growing European
market for lower fare travel. Of course by the time you belgians stop arguing and decide how to get
around to this, Easyjet and Ryanair will have put us out of business.
Results
Results for the year showed a total loss of EUR 65.2 million (EUR 5.7 million for the year 1999). This was
made up of restructuring costs of EUR 17.5 million and operating losses of EUR 46.7 million. What the
heck. Richard's a sporting kind of bloke.
Restructuring costs
In March 2000 we announced that we would not be renewing our unprofitable time based charter contract
from winter 2000/2001, as Neckermann was riding us just that little bit too much. In December 2000,
following a strategic panic attack, we announced we would concentrate on our Brussels hub. The Irish
airline, Virgin Express Ireland that we'd convinced ourselves we owned, would be sold or closed down
and our stations in Shannon, Gatwick and Berlin would be closed. The profitable flights from these
airports have now been stopped. Of our fleet of 22 aircraft Boeing-737s, 11 were surplus to our
operational fleet requirement. Four have been returned successfully to lessors (more money in penalties)
and seven subleased to third parties - at a loss, of course! This sort of consistency will form part of our
new image.Operating losses
Eh - sorry about that.
Yield, load factor and distribution channels
We're having someone look into exactly what these mean - Yields and load factors. We've heard other
airlines banging on about them for years but we seem to have survived perfectly well (losses aside)
without them. Still, we'll give anything a try once.
Sabena
We are concerned about the uncertain future of Sabena and the rumoured intention of its 49.5% stake
shareholder, SAirGroup, to dispose of its investment. We might actually have to put some effort into
sustaining ourselves. We have also ignored the tremendous expansion of the Brussels based airline
activities over the past number of years. This has led to significant excess capacity on our flights and we
have an idea that this may be contributing to losses for all other significant operators in Brussels.
Sabena's losses have been unfairly subsidised by the Belgian State, (unlike our losses being subsidised
by Branson - that's different) delaying the need for them to restructure. Independent airlines, operating
out of Brussels, many of them, like Virgin Express, low cost operators, are heavily loss making or have
gone out of business. Hang on a minute - did I say low-cost airlines -(plural)? This unfair subsidy must
not be allowed to continue. To this end, we have made strong representation to the Belgian Government
and to European Union Commission, asking that WE get some handouts too. This sound financial
approach has worked well for Sabena in the past and we are hoping for similar success.
Perspectives
Year 2000 has been a very difficult year with both the restructuring of our business and the exceptionally
high fuel and dollar costs. However, we have emerged with one airline operating from a Brussels hub on
a much-simplified route structure, even though everyone around us is expanding, more passenger
business now and then, and a strong, determined management team in place for more than a month now
- a new company record.
In year 2001 we will concentrate on improving the quality of the product we offer our passengers, and on
delivering a close to breakeven result with positive cash flow on our ongoing business. That few bob from
the government should just tip us out of the red. We have started the year well, (well as in-a deep hole)
with improvements to both yields and loadfactors, ada much more favourable fuel and dollar rate< now
hedged respectively 75 % and 69 %. Naturally we won't bother factoring a cushion for the dramatic fuel
increases which happened last year, 'cos it wasn't our fault.
I feel confident that we are now building the foundations of a low fare scheduled business that can grow
profitably into what's left of a rapidly expanding European market, after all the serious players like Easyjet
and Ryanair are done.
Michael D.Hoare
Executive Chairman
(I know, I get a laugh out of that title too! )

Cant tell you all how sad and dissapointed I am. To think such a great bunch are out of work blows my mind. If any other airlines are listening then I would respectfully suggest that you become proactive in grabbing as many of these guys as you can.... you wont be dissapointed!!!

As I have said on another thread .... you are all welcome by my fire at any time. Sadly I don't have the ability to employ you guys but if your ever down in the Southern Hemisphere come and warm yourselve at the afore mentioned fire.

Good luck!!! I'm sure you'll all get a job somewhere. The only up side I can see is that I'll have mates in more corners of the earth now.

Anyone wishing to drop me an e-mail my address is available from Metal Mickey.

Cheers!!!

MSF that was an absolutely brilliant description of VEX management and its incompetence. How about sending a copy of it to Branson, he appointed all those dick heads and remember Hoare was hand picked ha ha ha.

As Littlejohn says regularly in the Sun,
" you just couldn't make it up"