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That's a rather different version of the event that the one relayed to me. Don't know what your sources are, but mine is an eyewitness. What I've been told was that the fueller was doing his usual thing, when the AF pilot started screaming his head off. The fueller then told the bloke to sod off or he would discontinue the fuelling, to which the AF pilot replied with a headbutt.

So, would you care to substantiate your allegations that the fueller pushed first please?

Looks like air France has had a rough time lately...


Air France Plane Hits Cow In Nigeria - July 6th

An Air France passenger jet with more than 190 people on board struck a cow shortly after landing at the coastal city of Port Harcourt in Nigeria, a spokeswoman for the airline said...

It is not reported whether the cow was killed by the aircraft or died as a result of being hit by a crew member after ignoring the Vache Interdit Notam.

I have also been told that the fueler pushed the co-pilot first.

I don't really care who started it, just adding to the pot here.

Flip Flop

My story about Qantas didn't seem to interest you. The frog is the one you're after ain't it ??
Well my dear no, I cannot substantiate but I know for a fact that the fueler had a mind of his own and was going to do things his way regardless of the customer's requirements for which as you know, the captain is responsible for. Ok, the frog was a tad volatile in return, once again, for a push over.
The same happened to me in JFK a few days ago and being the Prince of Cool himself I had the guy removed on the spot by his management with an Air Safety Report on his forehead. He is never to be seen again.
Much more effecient and a lot less messy.

Further to this particular situation it is more a negative and general move in our job (I'm not saying the FO was right or wrong as I wasn't there) but what I see everyday it is less respect on the ramp and this will bring us more often to such a situation ... aviation used to be a gentleman (and woman) area but it is not any more ... I always respected and I keep respecting people working on my plane, I try to help as much as I can and I am quite flexible, open to any suggestion but at the end sometimes you have workers who want to do it their way and even if you explain to them the reason why it is wrong they'll call you by strange name :mad:
So we can laugh about what happened but tomorrow it can happen to any of us ... to a noisy Spanish or Italian, to an arrogant French like me, to an organised Swiss or German and even to a calm Brit :bored:

That's pretty much what went down. The fueler shoved the FO before that, and the resulting "face-saver" ensued.

Either way.....crazy behaviour

To be honest, who hasn't at least thought about delivering a short and direct message to someone who "doesn't understand" what we have been trying to explain.

We are generally constrained by our rules of civilised co-existence. However, in the same way that the anonymity of email allows people to be abusive without fear of retribution, the ever increasing protection of individuals from formal or informal physical punishment has possibly led to a reduction in us all having a healthy respect for each others feelings...if you know what I mean :(