A320 off the runway at LBA
 

Touched down late and ran off the end of 14 around 11:45 Zulu. No injuries, but paramedics are attending to several passengers suffering from shock. A/C has been stablised and is awaiting inspection from AAIB. Airport is closed for now. Any one know any more?

Witnessed it from 14 threshold. LTE376 from Fuerteventura looked to land well past the normal touchdown point and has pulled off to the right at the very end onto the grass. Winds at the time south-westerly at 8kts, surface dry.

RT between tower / flight deck and fire crews indicate a reported brake problem. Pax being disembarked by stairs.

A plane with 180 passengers on board overshot the runway today at an international airport, a fire and rescue service spokesman said.

The incident happened at around 12.30pm at Leeds Bradford International Airport in West Yorkshire.

A West Yorkshire Fire and Rescue Service spokesman said there were not thought to be any serious injuries.

He said the passengers on board the Airbus 320 plane were still disembarking following the incident.

From BBC (because the journalists always get it right)

Passenger plane overshoots runway
A plane with 178 passengers on board overshot the runway at a West Yorkshire airport on Wednesday.
The incident took place at lunchtime at Leeds Bradford International Airport.

A spokeswoman for West Yorkshire Fire and Rescue Service said it is not thought anyone was injured during the incident and there was no fire.

All passengers on the Airbus 320 plane had been evacuated. It is not yet clear whether the plane was taking off or landing or which airline was involved.

Airport alert

A fire service spokeswoman said they had been alerted by the airport at 1245 BST that a plane had gone off the end of the runway and had sent 10 pumps with around 50 firefighters to the scene.

Working in conjunction with the airport fire service they evacuated all passengers by 1340 BST.

Eyewitness Brian Bevan told BBC Radio Leeds: "We were in the departure lounge and there was this aircraft very close to the end of the runway and it looks as though it's dropped off with its nose wheel hanging off the end."

He said he could see fire engines at the scene and passengers being brought off the plane.

A Leeds Bradford International Airport spokeswoman said: "An A320 LTE aircraft
arriving from Fuerteventura at 12.40 had problems on landing which resulted in
it coming to rest at the end of the runway.
"The 171 passengers on board were disembarked using the aircraft steps and
coached back to the terminal with no reported injuries to any passengers.
"The Air Accident Investigation Team will look to identify the cause and it
is hoped the runway will be operational as soon as possible."
She said that no flights were currently arriving or departing at the airport,
but added that airport bosses were looking to resume the services as soon as
possible.
She added that the flights were expected to resume later today.

Aircraft is an A320 of Jordan Aviation, JY-JAR and operating a sub-charter for LTE, from Fuerteventura, which I think is a MyTravel/Airtours IT flight.

is that a can of worms I can hear popping open?

As Timmcat says, landed well after the normal point (viewed from the southside), just after the intersection for 27/09, no headwind, 5-8kt crosswind, therefore possibly a bit fast as well?

All speculation until investigation, at least nobody was injured!

YYZ

Anyone got a pic of this ???

Pictures -

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/sho...t=42872&page=1

Scroll down, way down!

Max Angle was bang out of order.

Back to the thread:

No advanced warning of a problem with the aircraft (i.e. "Pan" or "Mayday") and no apparent shout to ATC on the rollout that there was a problem.

Not a particularly challenging runway in terms of length compared to the aircraft involved even if it did land 'slightly long'.

Weather- generally fine.

Brake failure anybody?

Is 14/32 it still closed?

Hello,

32/14 is now open with reduced TORA/TODA and LDA. Using it very much in a mixed mode use, ie landing 14 and departing 32.

More pictures here

Hi guys,

I wouldn't get too excited. ILS not in use and NDB being used for app if needed but with 30k vis cant see it being an issue. ATC handling workload <slight> fine and 32 for t/o 14 for landing. Well done to LBA staff and inbounds for continueing <sp> to keep a professional service.........as expected. Would love to know more about 320 but don't want to get involved in speculation, I'm too busy studying for a Measurement and Control exam tomorrow.

The Reverand

classic example of things being blown out of proportion.

not only by the word piano players i might add. is it really that big a deal?

just tow it back onto the rwy!

Is it just me, or is there something odd about his flap config? That doesn't look like a landing flap setting for me (although I'm no expert on swept-wing jets) - looks more like a 'take-off' setting. Why would they be set to that after the incident? (assuming they've been moved at all after landing).

Maybe that could explain a thing or two? Or am I just barking up the wrong tree?

16B

Why no chutes deployed - often situations of this nature will call for an evac as precaution - from inside it must have felt a very strange angle sitting forward and the crew would have no idea the mainwheels were still actually just on the hard surface.
At the very least must have been very hot brakes/wheels.....

Just been on Look North.

Passengers said that they sat there for "ages" before the flight crew told them anything.

Now just a minor thought, but would it not be a common courtesy to tell them something asap rather than leaving them sitting there frightened out of their minds ?.

Remember too that most of those people that were onboard only fly maybe a handful of time a year, so what might not seem like a big deal to someone who flys for a living sure is to them.

:)

If I was up the pointy end sitting over the grass with my backside higher than my nose, I would DEFINATELY consider it a big deal - and a very bad day in the office!

Any confirmation this was a sub for MYT? Is it the regular carrier? MYT pulled out of LBA last year so presumably the flights have been subbed. I thought LTE were German....?

A4 :confused:

it was a charter for MyTravel the tour operator by LTE, which was subbed out to a Jordanian Airline.

Were LTE leasing just the aircraft from Jordan, or is it a full wet lease. I.e. were the pilots LTE or Jordan Aviation?

Commenting on the commercial side of things.

Sammypilot:

Unfortunately you are only partially correct in this, by no means all holiday companies give information to this level of accuracy or truthfulness. Indeed, one of the principal reasons why they all go to the same destination on the same day (in this case, Fuerteventura on a Wednesday) is so they can chop and change as required by the loads booked.

It is also true that those holiday companies who use the less-mainstream carriers are also those who more commonly leave out the flight detail, and there must be some connection here.

In this case we have LTU, a German carrier, setting up a Spanish operation, LTE, who in turn seem to be out of capacity (not at a peak season time for Spain, one wonders where their fleet has gone) and they have subbed in from a Jordanian small-scale operator for a charter from a British tour operator. I challenge anyone to find any holiday tour brochure which explains such detail. I am reminded of the Birgenair 757 accident in the Dominican Republic some years ago which had a similar long chain of subcontracted responsibility.

This subcharter was not a one-off but has apparently been going on for LTE for some time. I wonder whose insurance the passengers were actually on.

Shame about the shape (in a vertical plane). :rolleyes:

Can catch the unfamiliar unawares, leading to.....well, there's a thing......a long landing! Not good.

Have they got something against level tarmac lined up with the prevailing winds in Leeds?

Cost 3d. Yorkshire. Nuff said. :hmm:

LTE are nothing to do with LTU anymore, they sold their stake a while back. This was a flight for MyTravel Holidays (not airways), LTE have operated for a number of years for British tour ops without problems.

Still wondering if this flight was a fully blown wet lease (ie Jordan Aviation crew) or whether LTE have just leased the aircraft?

I agree with +v'e ROC's comments, once the AAIB has given it the once over, tow it back on. no real big story for the Journos here.
It certainly looks like it is well within the RESA for the runway, so it should be a straight forward job of getting it back on a spot of digging laying a few bits of tracking for the wheels along with properly placed towing staps & a decent tug & should be on in no time ;)
Good luck chaps, been there & done it 3 times :ok:

You've been off the runway 3 times! which airline do you work for? or have you had to explore other employment oppotunities.;)

Just a commentquestion on the photos posted. The earth ahead of the nosegear seems to be churned up some ten feet ahead of the gear itself. Probably large chunks of good farmland tossed forward by the nosegear I guess. Not an attempt to reverse out?

Askid / NWsteering ring a bell anyone ??

Said aircraft is now sitting in the Multiflight hangar. I'm told it has been impounded, by whom and on whose authority I don't know. A new nosewheel and mainwheel arrived for it today from Tenerife. I expect the aircraft will be at LBA for a few more days yet. Wonder who'll get the job of reparing it ??

Leezyjet as you obviously have no idea about the standard procedure in these cases, it would be common courtesy not to be condescending about the actions of the aircrew involved. :rolleyes:

For scared pax, a very short amount of time will seem like "ages". That doesn't mean anything.
What would you rather see happening? A cockpit crew yakking on the PA as soon as they have come to a standstill, or a cickpit crew working through the appropriate emergency checklists in order to avoid even bigger problems and to ascertain the actual state of the aircraft?

You should remember that you are on a professional pilot's website and stop teaching your granny to suck eggs.

Falps mate - I'm sorry but on a really rare occasion I disagree with you. I don't think leezyjet was being condescending in the slightest (although R&N perhaps a delicate place to broach his thoughts). As you know, I'm a relatively infrequent traveller and if I was involved in an incident of this nature, a brief comment from the flight deck along the lines of 'hey, they laid a touch too little tarmac - we'll stay here for a while whilst they bring the stairs right over' might just have lightened the situation for a bunch of people who only fly once or twice a year.

I witnessed the incident - it was not at all dramatic (from the ground anyway)and really is a bit of a storm in a teacup. Yes procedures are there to be followed and the RT activity at the time showed all involved (FD, fire and tower ATC) were calmly dealing with the situation.


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No point using the escape chutes unless remaining on board would present a hazard.

With no fire risk apparent then staying on board and exiting via normal steps amkes more sense.

People get hurt, often quite badly, going down chutes so there is no point putting the pax at risk on the bouncy castle.

I suspect that the flaps were retracted prior to engine shutdown (quite possibly via the normal after landing checklist procedure)

I agree with you timmcat, and i am a professional pilot for 20 years. A short PA to the passengers to sit tight, all is ok and please follow the cabin crew instructions is all it would take to calm the cabin and the cabin crew down. Its part of our job. And anyway what emergency checkists are you talking about flappy? I haven't seen one for runway overrunn. Just the after landers and shut down. Get the co to talk to atc while i have a quick word with the walk on freight. 30 seconds on the pa and then back to business. Customer care and all that PC stuff
How many PAs do we ever hear from the cockpit these days. Few if any, partiucularly from those in the middle and far east.
BTW flappy, i notice that your profile says chief wagon dragon. Please tell me that you're not cabin crew with a post like that. Emergency check lists? please tell me which ones so i can look them up. The evac wouldn't be right and no ecam would show. I've been on the bus for nearly a decade and i have yet to find a runway overrun.
If you want the real airbus answer, the capt should have said "crew at stations" once the aircraft had stopped with park brake on, then once the dust had settled gone for the shutdown checklist followed by " passengers and cabin crew please remain seated" and maybe starting the APU.etc etc. Thats 2 PAs that should have been made within the first minute or two max. Just my 2 bobs worth.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I seem to recall that Jordan Aviation were banned by the French CAA (DGAC) from flying into France some time ago because of safety concerns. Why is it that an operator is banned in one or more EU countries, yet can quite happily continue to operate into others ?

A similar anomaly is Turkish carrier Onur Air. I believe they are due to operate one or more charters to the Champions League final in Istanbul next week. Again, there are safety issues and Onur Air are currently banned from Germany, Netherlands, France, Italy and Switzerland. Funny then, that the UK CAA considers them fit to operate these flights from the UK. I thought under JAR all EU states should use the same criteria when it comes to air safety.

Anybody ?

CG

I can't quote specifics but many airlines based in 3rd world countries are prevented from flying to countries that operate to ICAO standards... I believe that the current number is 15 or thereabouts. The ban is not directed specifically at the airline, it's more to do with the fact that those countries do not have any adequate proceedure in place for overseeing the operations of airlines based in the country.... ie. no adequately functioning equivilant of our CAA or FAA. The list is, I think, available on an ICAO web-site.

The ban however is not compulsory and an individual EEC state can choose to ignore it, Belgium for eg. allows the DR Congo airline Hewa Bora to operate their pax carrying Tri-Star into Brussels.

In addition to the above countries there are a number of airlines which through some incident/accident or have been banned specifically from an EEC state....again it's up to the other EEC countries to choose for themselves whether they allow that operator access to their airports.

think about this.... i've seen the skidmarks at the end of 14, and if you ask me they did a good job, assuming there were really braking problems with the aircraft, by steering off to the side of 14 and onto level ground. if they continued straight, off the end and down the slope/into the lights etc, there could have easily been fatalities involved and not just a new nosewheel......

charterguy
for your info Onur is NOT banned in Italy, however ENAC (the Italian CAA) is close monitoring them ...

For sure I believe that there should be only one safety policy to be adopted and used by all CAAs, in the EU at the minimum!

With the aircraft still having a Jordanian registration is it fair to assume that the aircraft was still wet leased or even damp leased? With Jordan not being a JAA member and not in the EU then having a dry lease with a JY reg might be quite difficult?

Have I missed something, or have some posts in this thread been removed?

http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/publicati...00__c_ftdf.cfm

Any similarities?

Cheers

Splat

How's that for co-incidence, I paxed on C-FTDF last summer. :(