Andy Pandy....HERE HERE. On there grossly over-paid salaries it's no wonder they stay until well past their sell-by date ( and of course it's the vastly exaggerated allowances LH c/crew get that really takes the biscuit....+ of course 'not keen to go there' destination payments !!) - but's that's another topic.

This was a topic I kicked off a while ago about how they could justify the difference in salery between an engineer who can take upto to ten years to train to certification, and cabin crew who take six weeks and then can take home more than the engineer with ten years behind him.:confused: :confused: :confused:

Chicken or Beef := :=

Have you something against 'older' cabin crew??? I detect agism here - also perhaps for once the unions have negociated the various pay scale rises and allowances over the years. I was in another union not so long ago and management would ride 'roughshot' over the crews and they stood back and did nothing.

Don'tdoit;

I beg to differ! 4k a month in Allowances-EVERY month??????? I think not!!! Our better paid trips are SIN's and NRT's. A 9day SIN/MEL or SYD will take out 13days inc Days Off.A NRT takes out 8.IF, and a very big IF, you were to do 1 of those 2 trips again in that month, your allowances may be a third of that figure.

And yes, we are taxed on our allowances!!! Her 48k after 35years on an old contract is probably correct -BUT will include allowances as that's how our P60's are formed.It also will mean she flies a lot in that year and will rarely be sick over all the years to sustain a salary like that.

Boy,I hope she does more than pour tea&coffee for that amount!

FYI, LHR cabin crew are better paid (L.haul),because we fly the routes that trigger more overtime. Nowadays we are lucky to see the better paid trips come around once in a blue moon.:ugh:

This woman is not a criminal - however galling it is to the pilot world, she has been given this money by her employer and did not obtain it dishonestly. You cannot blame her for saying anything else other than 'thanks very much'! These types of salaries are clearly no longer on offer which we all recognise as a good thing. Her package is no more foolish than the old deals on offer to senior BA captains who retire on £75k+ pensions. Nor is is it any more wrong than the many crazy salaries enjoyed by Delta, AA, Cathy Pacific pilots for many years - to name but a few . There is a new realisation in the industry that the 'good old days' are gone, and few would argue with it as they were simply unsupportable economically.

This lady's case is symptomatic of another much bigger problem - countless people including many pilots and cabin crew were historically massively overpaid relative to the income their company was generating. This situation has been further exacerbated by over-generous allowances that in no way reflect what expenses occurred.

Somebody, somewhere must pay the bill for all this - that someone is the passenger and he now has more choice than ever before. The bottom line for any company is that money in must exceed money out. Only once you have established that fact can you then argue about the relative merits of cabin crew, pilots and engineers.

For a start she probably knows how to spell salary :-

More fool the engineers for training for 10 years to earn 30k.

It's like watching dodgy car dealers at the moment at LHR :-

Much sucking of teeth followed by :-

"Can't get the parts chief,can't get the parts"

Good luck to her..... I say

well, think she is worth every penny, if she has to put up with serving the likes of some of the posters on this forum and their petty avarice. By the way the sums are well out and in fact a CSD approcahing retirement age of 55 who is allowed to chrystalise their pension would be on a basic of at least £35 + depending on how many years they had done and this would also mean that another 20k in allowances/flight pay/ovetime etc;

I say good luck to the lady and good luck to anybody who can earn a large sum of money for serving tea or coffee.
If BA paid me that I would look at the pay cheque and laugh my head of at the suckers. Anyway BA are now "paying" for it in high operating costs.
Good luck to all the people who,s only crime has been to accept whats been offered. Sit back and enjoy your high pensions and watch BA go under.
Not long left I say(high price of fuel, high cabin crew wages).

Is it any wonder BA cannot afford the correct number of check in staff.

With National Insurance and Pension contributions she is probably costing BA around £75000 pa!!

747 Astute observations and a view shared by many of us within BA dispite that you may read. However I have to say that we have just been voted seventh in the UK best loved brands via 'Marketing' magazine, a periodical that I am sure everyone is familiar with-not.

HZ123, yes Virgin was voted top!!!!!!!!!!

MR SKINNER

You are quite right, Yes, and more fool the engineers for working solidly for 12hrs through all weathers without breaks when YOU are stuck down the line desperate to get home.

Unfortunately, when engineers decide to try and do something about their income, IE industrial action, Pilot's and cabin crew suddenly find 'nil defects' on each flight!!:mad:
Uncanny that isn't it?

When Pilots and CC take IA the airline stops.

Good luck to you all I say but please don't blame engineers for not being very enthusiastic when they can't find the spares!

The problem is not of their making as has been discussed elsewhere on PPRUNE. :ok:

Andy Pandy
 

quote by AndyPandy-

the relevance, Andy, is that although a long serving CSD managed to get this salary as a result of having joined the BA of old, anyone joing now will never make that kind of money adjusted for inflation) as BA have cracked down hard on the salaries for cabin crew in the last few years.

They also, it has to be said, have a large difference in salary between LGW and LHR the latter getting higher rates of pay).

More importantly does she have a daughter and what does she look like.

I think what galls more people than the amount of money is the attitude of some of these older csds who think and are led to believe that the chain of command on the aircraft doesnt apply to then. They see themselves (encouraged by their management and misuse of crm) as co commanders instead of cabin managers answerable to a commander. I think thats whats causing the animosity to this poor woman and her hopefully pretty and available daughters.:}
Failing that 55 isnt over the hill.:E

Give Me A Break!
 

In her time as an FA/CSD this woman has probably.......
1.Cleaned excrement from toilet floors
2.Been vomitted on
3.Been physically threatened
4.Been verbally abused
5.Discovered a dead pax
6.Dealt with an attempted suicide...Pax/Crewmember
7.Advised a crewmember that a loved one has passed
away.
8.Dealt with medical emergencies..heart attacks,child
birth.
9.Advised a pax that their partner has passed away
inflight
This is more what the life of a crew member is all about.Throw in the safety aspect of the job and she has been underpaid.Not to mention looking after her crew in port.
Coffee and Tea Indeed!!!!

jetjockey7

Do you mean like a policeman?

.....OR A NURSE?

Good God, the rampant jealousy on this thread is almost sick making. Why do you all have such a problem with what someone else gets paid?

You all do a job. Are you paid wenough in that job to keep you doing it? Clearly the answer is yes, so quit harping on about how much CSDs earn

Sheesh

Chips

I am not jealous just sick to death of being told what a mess we are in financially, that we all have to cut more costs and yet we see a bunch of glorified prima donnas walking off the aircraft stranding passengers overnight, when they get to the minute of their industrial agreements, yet being overpaid at rates that many far more able and competent people can only dream of.

jetjockey7

I was a Policeman, paid less than this lady and many of the things that you list I dealt with on a shift basis plus a great many other unpleasent things, never mind during a career. Added to which I had to make decisions at the age of 19 that are bigger than she will ever make. So yes I do think she is over paid.

As regards to is that the norm, well my daughters mother is a purser with BA, according to the Child Support Agency the amount she gets paid (for 50% part time) is not far short of what I get now for full time.