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CaptainSquelch 23rd Dec 2003 07:27

Easy slips in AMS ?
 
Just had news that an Easyjet slipped off the taxiway in the vicinity of P6 while taxiing out. Rw 06 temporarily out of use.

Anyone with more news?

IRRenewal 23rd Dec 2003 16:10

Dutch radio said this morning they hit a lamp post while taxiing. No mention of rwy being closed, but the press isn't too hot on reporting these things properly. Aircraft was damaged, no news about the lamp post though.

Cheers

Gerard

mjenkinsblackdog 23rd Dec 2003 16:25

Poor ****** was probably on his sixth day!:cool:
Easyjet management take note.

Curious Pax 23rd Dec 2003 18:53

picture
 
There's a picture of the wing in question on airliners.net: G-EZJM's wing - it certainly hit something with a bit of force! With a bit of luck it might have been one of those pesky barrel organ things!!

Wing Commander Fowler 23rd Dec 2003 19:01

Jeez looks in a bad way - guy had a bad day there...... Sorry mate!

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Silver Tongued Cavalier 23rd Dec 2003 19:57

AMS and its ultra smooth new taxiways were a bit slippy alright yesterday, preventing the usual 30kt taxy speeds miles out into the countryside for 36L! And now we have to go all the way round to Z1 as well! :oh:

Ennie 23rd Dec 2003 21:22

Schiphol was really slippery last night, really bad weather most of the day on and off.

The new taxi ways are as you say smooth and very slippery at times.

Just an unfortunate one there skip, hope they don't give you to much grief for it.

Sobelena 23rd Dec 2003 23:38

Odd though that in these slippery conditions t'was an LCO that came a cropper. Aren't LCOs often criticised for their above average taxy speeds? Just an observation.

kennedy 23rd Dec 2003 23:55

sobelena,

i don't often defend the company I work for, but your observations concerning taxi speed are verging on libel.

Maximum taxi speed on straight taxiways ( off apron) 25 kts
Maximum -"- -"- -"- aprons 10 kts

Flidras event 28 kts(ish)

we are all human and accidents happens, so give the crew a break!

Phoenix_X 23rd Dec 2003 23:58

Sobelena,

In this particular LCO, the FLIDRAS monitoring system does alot to stop high-speed taxying, so I think yours might be a very shaky conclusion.

Whippersnapper 24th Dec 2003 00:34

Sobelena,

There is only one LCA renowned for high speed taxying and arrivals, and it's not EZY. If you want to have a pop at any outfit, then fair enough, but make sure you have the facts right, and also bear in mind that a company's attitude might not reflect the attitude of everyone within that company.

mjenkinsblackdog 24th Dec 2003 01:38

Sob,
For your info mr Boeing says 20 knots straight line ,10 round bends in dry good conditions.
As slow as you like when conditions are poor.
:cool:

Sobelena 24th Dec 2003 02:13

First of all I did not pretend to submit any facts. I submitted a thought and a personal observation! Now, for arguments sake, throwing max (dry!!!) taxispeeds and Flidras at me doesn't for one moment detract from the fact that they may (I say may ) have been going a little too fast in the prevailing conditions . Did anyone else get caught out around the same time?

BigHitDH 24th Dec 2003 02:20

Doh...
 
I feel sorry for the guy.

That dreaded "rumble" from the nose gear as it breaks traction is a sound that will haunt you for a long time...especially when it's follwed by *crunch*.

Maybe it's time they started putting directional treads on the NLG?

FlapsOne 24th Dec 2003 03:41

Taxy speed is not an issue!

FACT.

omoko joe 24th Dec 2003 03:53

most of the orange jets I've seen around taxi pretty slow..sometimes painfully slow! It would seem to be a company policy, unlike their main rival lowco.:hmm:

Pax-man 24th Dec 2003 05:42

Look's like it was a Great White to me

Stop Stop Stop 24th Dec 2003 06:01

It looks like the easy 733 hit a bloody great big lamp post en route from the Polderbaan (18R/36L) to the main terminal. Said lamp post was on its side today.

I can't comment on whether he was going too fast or the weather was inclement at AMS last night...I wasn't there. However, the AMS ATIS always adds the comments "all aprons and taxiways slippery spots" when there is any chance of it being a bit mucky.

It looks like one of those awkward things that happens. The tea and biscuits session will no doubt be interesting but we must wait for the official report.

I have to say, as a regular traveller on easy (I work for a high cost airline at AMS), they seem to taxi at a sensible speed. Obviously, something went wrong last night, but we will find out in due course unless someone involved chooses to put us in the picture, on this forum.

Swept wing 24th Dec 2003 15:36

Let's hope this incident will be attributed to unexpected black ice on the taxi way. Otherwise I feel for the crew involved. The so-called "no-blame culture" in easyJet does definitely not apply to its pilots. If there is anything that the company can blame the pilots for in a case like this, the likelyhood of their dismissal is great.

The idea of learning from situations like this and not trying to find a scapegoat is not generally the way easyJet operates. :(

BEagle 24th Dec 2003 15:53

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An open culture that is autonomous and non-hierarchical with an approachable senior management team

:yuk:
So there won't be any problems with the 'approachable senior management team' being 'approached' about the fatigue concerns expressed elsewhere on PPRuNe then?


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