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Major chaos at JFK as pax aircraft all behind schedules and crew out of hours etc, usual problems a/c out of position.
Knock on effects now as deadhead crews cannot reposition ex-JFK and late getting back into JFK thru overnight delays.
Any more updates as to the status of the power supply?
All back on and running at JFK/EWR and downtown?
Major chaos at JFK as pax aircraft all behind schedules and crew out of hours etc, usual problems a/c out of position.
Knock on effects now as deadhead crews cannot reposition ex-JFK and late getting back into JFK thru overnight delays.
Any more updates as to the status of the power supply?
All back on and running at JFK/EWR and downtown?
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Appears that as of 45 minutes ago or so, New York Center and TRACON are both still on generator power. The ATC System Command Center is reporting power problems continuing in the NY area. On the other hand, they are also reporting these airports have the indicated hourly runway acceptance rates right now (which are not so bad!):
LGA 35
EWR 50
JFK 52
And outside of the NYC area:
DTW 60
CLE 40
Of course, the acceptance rate doesn't speak to things like terminals being closed, so it probably isn't the best indicator of how normal operations are...
Right now the biggest problem seems to be taxi delays (thus, gate holds) at EWR. Looks like traffic may be picking up!
Dave
LGA 35
EWR 50
JFK 52
And outside of the NYC area:
DTW 60
CLE 40
Of course, the acceptance rate doesn't speak to things like terminals being closed, so it probably isn't the best indicator of how normal operations are...
Right now the biggest problem seems to be taxi delays (thus, gate holds) at EWR. Looks like traffic may be picking up!
Dave
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IT was a fun night last night in JFK. I had 3 planes there. One was going to PHL and another going to BOS and the last to RDU. at 1700 local we found out that the tower only had 60 minutes of power left so we did manual releases and got the hell out of dodge before with or with out pax before they got stuck.
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Speaking as one who was in the middle of it ... the size of the mess is hard to describe and I presume that you have seen it all on TV.
I was on the coach from Manhattan to JFK on Thursday afternoon when the power failed, so only learnt about it after we arrived. As always with these things, everyone thinks that it is just their own local problem. It takes a lot longer to find out the extent of the problem.
I was at T7 for BA and the four Thursday evening flights did not go. Many folks had the classic experience of their bags already being checked and then having to sleep rough. Naturally the hotels filled very fast. I landed up at the Ramada and got a room but folks were soon on blankets on the floor of the function rooms.
The Thursday flights went at some stage of Friday morning but the Friday morning 178 was cxld which was a pity as that was the one I had a ticket for ...
As you know, when this sort of thing happens, once flights resume, those who have been cxld simply go to the back of the queue and, on this occasion, I had a rock bottom "No changes permitted without you give us tons more money" ticket. So I am now back at my friends place in New Jersey and on the EWR service on Monday 08:00.
Truthfully - I was very lucky. Some folks are in hospital and some died. All that I have lost is three days and several hundred pounds that my travel insurance will haggle over!
The most common thing you heard people say was, "This is unbelievable". Well, as soon as I heard the radio description - I believed it - because similar things have happend before. One TV news jock said, "It is amazing that our elctrical supply is so 'fraj-el'." Well, that was simply because he was too young to remember the last two times!!
To finish on a cheery note ... in the Ramada shuttle bus returning to the terminal on one occasion, the radio was tuned to the news and had some vox pops. One of them was jabbering about how well the Noo Yorkans had responded and he finished by saying, "Thank God we are Americans."
Since the Americans were responsible for their own worst power failure on a scale never before seen around the world ... All the Americans in the bus could not understand why all of us non-Americans were laughing out loud. 
I was on the coach from Manhattan to JFK on Thursday afternoon when the power failed, so only learnt about it after we arrived. As always with these things, everyone thinks that it is just their own local problem. It takes a lot longer to find out the extent of the problem.
I was at T7 for BA and the four Thursday evening flights did not go. Many folks had the classic experience of their bags already being checked and then having to sleep rough. Naturally the hotels filled very fast. I landed up at the Ramada and got a room but folks were soon on blankets on the floor of the function rooms.
The Thursday flights went at some stage of Friday morning but the Friday morning 178 was cxld which was a pity as that was the one I had a ticket for ...
As you know, when this sort of thing happens, once flights resume, those who have been cxld simply go to the back of the queue and, on this occasion, I had a rock bottom "No changes permitted without you give us tons more money" ticket. So I am now back at my friends place in New Jersey and on the EWR service on Monday 08:00.
Truthfully - I was very lucky. Some folks are in hospital and some died. All that I have lost is three days and several hundred pounds that my travel insurance will haggle over!
The most common thing you heard people say was, "This is unbelievable". Well, as soon as I heard the radio description - I believed it - because similar things have happend before. One TV news jock said, "It is amazing that our elctrical supply is so 'fraj-el'." Well, that was simply because he was too young to remember the last two times!!
To finish on a cheery note ... in the Ramada shuttle bus returning to the terminal on one occasion, the radio was tuned to the news and had some vox pops. One of them was jabbering about how well the Noo Yorkans had responded and he finished by saying, "Thank God we are Americans."
Since the Americans were responsible for their own worst power failure on a scale never before seen around the world ... All the Americans in the bus could not understand why all of us non-Americans were laughing out loud.
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Very true sentence I've heard few years ago on Middle East: there is no point to make a nuclear attact on USA, in most cases you just need to create a major electrical power cut...
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I was on the ILS to 4R at EWR when the power failed. Simply turned the approach into a visual. Sometimes **** happens.
When I used to reside in the UK, I was unable to get to work by train one day in the autumn because the "wrong type of leaves" were on the rails so the trains were cancelled.
And this from a country that used to think it lead the world.
When I used to reside in the UK, I was unable to get to work by train one day in the autumn because the "wrong type of leaves" were on the rails so the trains were cancelled.
And this from a country that used to think it lead the world.
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And this from a country that used to think it lead the world.
OK - so it's your turn now - how are you doing?
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In the world of instant news and communications it takes 4 days for London’s little inconvenience to filter to the back woods of California!
Three cable faults caused just 30 minutes of power cuts which touched a few parts of London before the lights came back on. I guess the American Embassy sent their spies out to learn a few lessons on power recovery techniques.
Three cable faults caused just 30 minutes of power cuts which touched a few parts of London before the lights came back on. I guess the American Embassy sent their spies out to learn a few lessons on power recovery techniques.
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Only a minor power outage? Thousands of people were stranded in the Underground, and hundreds of traffic lights were inoperative.
It took some time for the word to reach the New World, because Sir Frances Drake's ship was a little slow in bringing the news to America.
With all of the British sterling going to support their illegal immigrants, there is no dosh left to pay the utilities.
It took some time for the word to reach the New World, because Sir Frances Drake's ship was a little slow in bringing the news to America.
With all of the British sterling going to support their illegal immigrants, there is no dosh left to pay the utilities.
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And there I was thinking that that my taxes went to France and Italy to support their inefficient farmers while the French state who now has all this spare cash thanks to the Brits can afford to give handouts to their inefficient State airline. It must be bad out there if even the asylum seekers with nothing don’t want to hang around too long.
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