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Old 16th Aug 2003, 01:20
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Sorry, must've overwritten the cut and paste buffer
the pilot should not have attempted any form of rectification
It's taken a while to read all this and I can't remember now. Where did it say he actually 'fixed' anything? I know he nipped outside and returned 'covered with'/'caked in' oil, but did it actually say he fixed anything?

The fast taxi and slam the brakes on was good for a laugh though. Still the newspaper obviously got that wrong. Everyone knows the 'standard procedure' is to do it on the runway and not a taxiway.
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Old 16th Aug 2003, 01:54
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At the end of the day; the passengers got home safely, the crew did their best to rectify the problem. Legally or illegally it is not our call to judge the pilots actions. We were not there, we do not know and therefore we cannot pass judgment on anything until proper facts are known. One thing is for sure, that the pilot acted in the must suitable way he knew and got passengers home; and for that he should be commended!

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Sorry your posts seem to contradict each other!
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Old 16th Aug 2003, 15:19
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I'm a bit surprised that after a week of speculation over what the Captain did/did not do, nobody from MYT has come on board and posted the facts - surely there is someone out there from MYT who can use a computer?
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Old 16th Aug 2003, 15:53
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Now lets have a think about this ......what can the guy do to the system with the resorces that he has at hand ?.

He wont have had a set of tools with him so all he could have done was to have cleaned off the prox sensors with a bit of paper and done a BITE check reset under the advice of the engineers back at base.

So what is the big deal ? none of these actions could have made the situation worse and it seems that whatever he did it fixed the problem.

As an ex line engineer I have no problems with this but I do have problems with the undertones of job protection being the main reason for the critisium of this guy.
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Old 16th Aug 2003, 16:29
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Absolutely, A&C.

However you dress it up ASFKAP, your posts seem to be more about protecting engineers jobs than flight safety.

In the real world, there just ain't gonna be engineers at every turn-round any more.

Cleaning a bit of gunge from a sensor rather than calling out an engineer, possibly from UK with all the delays that might cause, seems the sensible route.

The real point is that captains must be soooo careful what they tell pax and how they put it over.

Remember the PA in which the captain said something like 'I'm afraid the weather in XXX is not too good' was reported in the press as 'PILOT AFRAID'.

There's absolutely no way a pilot can interfere too much now anyway, as even his nail clippers have been confiscated, let alone his trusty Leatherman!
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Old 16th Aug 2003, 21:03
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Sorry guys even if we had all the facts until the company makes the information public it would not be right for any of us to do so on this forum! We have already seen how some like to twist the truth for a good story so better to keep it in general terms until the official report comes out which will not be for a few weeks.

All I will say from what I know, most of the technical speculation has been way off base and the Captain conducted himself well given the difficult circumstances and did nothing wrong. A real none story unless you want to stir up a bit of trouble of course.

I love the way the papers assume a former pilot is an expert and therefore adds weight to their story. My wife is a former pilot but knows little about large transport aircraft and more to the point would not pretend too!
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Old 16th Aug 2003, 22:01
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A few words about the prox sensors on the 757 nose air/ground system.

Not normally affected by a bit of grease on the target. However, I have seen anomalous EICAS messages on the ground due to the external power cable being draped across the top of either sensor.
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Old 22nd Aug 2003, 16:46
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Sorry to drag this one up again but at the time I was so angry with the poor quality of reporting that this "story" displayed that I wrote and complained to the beeb. For those who are interested I have copied the majority of it below.

It makes no mention of the fact that my main gripe (through implication) was allowing uninformed members of the public to criticise the actions of a trained professional on a public website and make comments on his/her behaviour without actually being in possession of the facts.

It seems that this BBC employee ran off quickly to do some research (AFTER the story was published) in order to counter any complaints from people like me! I am not a commercial pilot so if anyone would like to comment on the technical details given below than I would certainly be interested...



Thanks for your email expressing concern about the BBC's reporting.

There is, in fact, a light in most aircraft that informs the pilot when the plane is airborne. Its function is to allow the aircraft to switch certain systems from 110 volts in the air to 24 volts on the ground (for example the de-icing systems.) I believe that another possible function is to indicate the load on the aircraft's wheels - as the plane may encounter difficulties if there is too much pressure on the axle.

I'm by no means an aircraft expert, or even a science writer for the website, but I can assure you that the reporting in this case is accurate.

However, thank you for getting in touch. Please feel free to contact me with any other concerns you may have.

Kind regards,


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Old 22nd Aug 2003, 17:14
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Where do they get them from?

An expression containing lighthouse and desert springs to mind.

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