DLR Psychiatric Tests
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DLR Psychiatric Tests
Gulf Air has announced that its pilots will undergo DLR psycho. tests. Any one knows what they are all about and if they are really representative of a sane pilot?
How many airlines are now opting for these tests? Any information?
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How many airlines are now opting for these tests? Any information?
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The DLR-test is used by Lufthansa, Austrian Airlines, Deutsche Flugsicherung (ATC in Germany), Deutsche BA, Contact Air and probably some other german airlines. It's normally a two-step test. The first part is a computer based test, the second part a psychological test which is a bit different for each company.
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Do try to understand the difference between Psychology and Psychiatry. The one is the study of behaviour, the other is the study of mental illness.
Psychological testing is part of the wider scope of aptitude testing. The aim is to answer the question "Is this individual suited to this particular job?" not for instance "Is this person mentally unbalanced?"
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Psychological testing is part of the wider scope of aptitude testing. The aim is to answer the question "Is this individual suited to this particular job?" not for instance "Is this person mentally unbalanced?"
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Our german psychos testing for the Gulf?!
Sounds like fun!
Maybe first GF-management should be tested by DLR, just so they know what they are testing for.
Looks good in theory, but I presume it will p*ss off quite a few people, even more than here.
I doubt they´ll be able to gauge what kind of pilot-personality they need to thrive down there. The systems and culutures (as well as general living conditions) of the companies in German-speaking Europe are quite different.
Anyway, info on what they currently do, is on their german-language (sorry, too much to translate) website:
http://www.hh.dlr.de/
The DLH/LFT site concerning a career as a pilot with DLH is:
http://www.lft-online.de/englisch/nav/frameset_in.htm
Use the nav-bar on the left side, and scroll down to "selection procedure", to get a very general idea of what people go through at DLR to get into DLH - It´s not much different from "tests" for other big airlines, I believe.
Main problem will be defining the pilot-"profile" that the company wants.
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If any of you GF-drivers happens to know Henk B. (one of the "consultants" in BAH), tell him "Hi" from one of his ex-FOs. - I hope this wasn´t his idea.
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Sounds like fun!
Maybe first GF-management should be tested by DLR, just so they know what they are testing for.
Looks good in theory, but I presume it will p*ss off quite a few people, even more than here.
I doubt they´ll be able to gauge what kind of pilot-personality they need to thrive down there. The systems and culutures (as well as general living conditions) of the companies in German-speaking Europe are quite different.
Anyway, info on what they currently do, is on their german-language (sorry, too much to translate) website:
http://www.hh.dlr.de/
The DLH/LFT site concerning a career as a pilot with DLH is:
http://www.lft-online.de/englisch/nav/frameset_in.htm
Use the nav-bar on the left side, and scroll down to "selection procedure", to get a very general idea of what people go through at DLR to get into DLH - It´s not much different from "tests" for other big airlines, I believe.
Main problem will be defining the pilot-"profile" that the company wants.
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If any of you GF-drivers happens to know Henk B. (one of the "consultants" in BAH), tell him "Hi" from one of his ex-FOs. - I hope this wasn´t his idea.
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http://www.pilotentest.de/
Here is a site where you can buy a CD-Rom with trainingtools for the test. It is only in German.
On www.airwork.nl you can go to there bulletin board, where there is some information about training for the test. In the Netherlands you have Shellinger and in Germany in Hamburg and Munchen they give training.
Good luck.
Here is a site where you can buy a CD-Rom with trainingtools for the test. It is only in German.
On www.airwork.nl you can go to there bulletin board, where there is some information about training for the test. In the Netherlands you have Shellinger and in Germany in Hamburg and Munchen they give training.
Good luck.
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DLR - for those who don't know - stands for Docklands Light Railway.
These trains are entirely automatic so you can push other passengers out of the way and sit where the driver would be - if there were one, which there isn't of course. Once seated you can make whatever noises you like and operate simulated levers of an imaginary railway engine.
The psychometric angle of this is of course what elections you make in this unstructured environment.
If you make lots of wheezing, clanking and hissing noises, and make broad sweeps as if operating a regulator, you are assumed to be regressed to the steam age and approved to work for GO.
If on the other hand you insist on opening up the train control override box and operating the train manually you are assumed to be a conductor from the DLR or the person who designs the General Flight Tests for the CPL.
Or both.
These trains are entirely automatic so you can push other passengers out of the way and sit where the driver would be - if there were one, which there isn't of course. Once seated you can make whatever noises you like and operate simulated levers of an imaginary railway engine.
The psychometric angle of this is of course what elections you make in this unstructured environment.
If you make lots of wheezing, clanking and hissing noises, and make broad sweeps as if operating a regulator, you are assumed to be regressed to the steam age and approved to work for GO.
If on the other hand you insist on opening up the train control override box and operating the train manually you are assumed to be a conductor from the DLR or the person who designs the General Flight Tests for the CPL.
Or both.
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I wouldn´t want to know... (11 yrs service, ex ab-initio, luckily failed EK-assessment last year and in CP-training now)
To enlighten you folks a bit more:
DLR have mostly tested young ab-initios or guys up to about age 35, who want to become FOs in DLH (or the other companies as of late).
They´ve been testing the aptitude (or at least they´ve tried) of these folks to make the flightschool in a certain time, to fit in and grow into a rather large standardized western-european (!!) airline.
I have no idea what GF would be looking for. But they´d surely have to test experienced people quite differently for GF.
Most probably there´s more work to be done within GF itself, to avoid incidents such as the one last summer.
I doubt the people in charge there, have the mentality to realize this.
Letting DLR test their experienced candidates and not changing many other things, would just be cosmetic surgery,IMHO.
I wouldn´t want to know... (11 yrs service, ex ab-initio, luckily failed EK-assessment last year and in CP-training now)
To enlighten you folks a bit more:
DLR have mostly tested young ab-initios or guys up to about age 35, who want to become FOs in DLH (or the other companies as of late).
They´ve been testing the aptitude (or at least they´ve tried) of these folks to make the flightschool in a certain time, to fit in and grow into a rather large standardized western-european (!!) airline.
I have no idea what GF would be looking for. But they´d surely have to test experienced people quite differently for GF.
Most probably there´s more work to be done within GF itself, to avoid incidents such as the one last summer.
I doubt the people in charge there, have the mentality to realize this.
Letting DLR test their experienced candidates and not changing many other things, would just be cosmetic surgery,IMHO.
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What can you do about it ?
I agree that Airlines use psychometric test to screen their candidates, but these test need to be done in a serene manner.
To be credible, the candidate needs to be debriefed about the results of the test, in writing.
After all flying an A 320 for company A, B or C does not change the fact, that, the job basically remains the same.
I can not see any reason why, a candidate that has flown the A 320 successfully for many years, would suddenly be inapt for psychological reasons ?
The aforementioned test are not exact science, if you put three psychiatrist around the table, and you can be sure they will never reach an agreement.
The best environment to test a pilot, is the simulator environment, not only do you asses the piloting and technical skills of the candidate,but also his personality traits.
Combined with elaborated intelligence test and psychometric test, you should be able to come to a fair assessment.
Maybe these test should be done by the CAA as part of your ATPL, in the end, it's the CAA that issues your licence, NOT the airline you work for.
The process of hiring a pilot would then only concentrate on the question, does this pilot fit in our organisation or not ?
The current situation may put question marks behind the fact, should this pilot be entitled to a licence or not.
A responsibility of the CAA and not the Airline.
Making these test accessible at an early stage to people who want to become a pilot, might be a good thing to start with.
After all, the same principle applies when you want to get into university.
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I agree that Airlines use psychometric test to screen their candidates, but these test need to be done in a serene manner.
To be credible, the candidate needs to be debriefed about the results of the test, in writing.
After all flying an A 320 for company A, B or C does not change the fact, that, the job basically remains the same.
I can not see any reason why, a candidate that has flown the A 320 successfully for many years, would suddenly be inapt for psychological reasons ?
The aforementioned test are not exact science, if you put three psychiatrist around the table, and you can be sure they will never reach an agreement.
The best environment to test a pilot, is the simulator environment, not only do you asses the piloting and technical skills of the candidate,but also his personality traits.
Combined with elaborated intelligence test and psychometric test, you should be able to come to a fair assessment.
Maybe these test should be done by the CAA as part of your ATPL, in the end, it's the CAA that issues your licence, NOT the airline you work for.
The process of hiring a pilot would then only concentrate on the question, does this pilot fit in our organisation or not ?
The current situation may put question marks behind the fact, should this pilot be entitled to a licence or not.
A responsibility of the CAA and not the Airline.
Making these test accessible at an early stage to people who want to become a pilot, might be a good thing to start with.
After all, the same principle applies when you want to get into university.
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Smooth Trimmer
[This message has been edited by Streamline (edited 06 June 2001).]
