Upset on AA Flight
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Thanks for the SWA Kudos. We aim to please (most of us at least. I have had to call ATC to apologize about company a couple of times.)
robmac
That was most likely wake turbulence. The Sadde arrival is flown by heavy iron coming from Asia and Europe. With GPS accuracy, one aircraft can fly right into anothers wake with precision measured in feet. On a calmer day, the wake vortices from a heavy can be quite startling. I always sit my cabin crew down early going into LAX because I expect a bump or two. As an old friend of mine once said, "I'd rather be down here wishing I was up there than up there wishing I was down here." Same for seating the ladies and gents. Better safe than sorry.
I had LAX tower request an immediate 30 degree turn on departure across the south side. They didn't tell us a 767 had just departed and as luck would have it, we hit both vortices. Tha Captain got on the p.A. and explained what it was but nontheless, it gets your attention. ("Brain to body, ignore the adrenalin. This was only a test.)
411A,
Extremely unusual. (Am I mistaken or do you repeatedly like to make that point?) By the way, it seems someone in the BUR city thought better of allowing a petrol station to operate behind the blast fence of a short runway used by passenger jets: The facility is now closed and scheduled for demolition.
Also: Shortly after the "crunchy concrete" barrier was installed on the stopway on the end of 08, a Gulfstream (or similar) put it to the test and only rolled halfway into it. Had it been there when United came within inches of going through the fence, it would have helped them too. Well, perhaps less so. They were traveling 90 degrees to the runway in full reverse (wet RWY) and came to stop with their wing sticking through the blast fence. I had the BUR senior TWR controller on my jumpseat and he said it was a hell of a deal. Tower is yelling at her asking if they need assistance. No response. About 15 SWA rampers run over to assist in case they deploy slides. Then, after about 90 seconds, they taxi away from the fence leaving the #1 slat dangling by a thread. DOH!!!
Oh, sorry. Getting off the thread a tad there. Won't happen again.
PT
Thanks for the SWA Kudos. We aim to please (most of us at least. I have had to call ATC to apologize about company a couple of times.)
robmac
That was most likely wake turbulence. The Sadde arrival is flown by heavy iron coming from Asia and Europe. With GPS accuracy, one aircraft can fly right into anothers wake with precision measured in feet. On a calmer day, the wake vortices from a heavy can be quite startling. I always sit my cabin crew down early going into LAX because I expect a bump or two. As an old friend of mine once said, "I'd rather be down here wishing I was up there than up there wishing I was down here." Same for seating the ladies and gents. Better safe than sorry.
I had LAX tower request an immediate 30 degree turn on departure across the south side. They didn't tell us a 767 had just departed and as luck would have it, we hit both vortices. Tha Captain got on the p.A. and explained what it was but nontheless, it gets your attention. ("Brain to body, ignore the adrenalin. This was only a test.)
411A,
Extremely unusual. (Am I mistaken or do you repeatedly like to make that point?) By the way, it seems someone in the BUR city thought better of allowing a petrol station to operate behind the blast fence of a short runway used by passenger jets: The facility is now closed and scheduled for demolition.
Also: Shortly after the "crunchy concrete" barrier was installed on the stopway on the end of 08, a Gulfstream (or similar) put it to the test and only rolled halfway into it. Had it been there when United came within inches of going through the fence, it would have helped them too. Well, perhaps less so. They were traveling 90 degrees to the runway in full reverse (wet RWY) and came to stop with their wing sticking through the blast fence. I had the BUR senior TWR controller on my jumpseat and he said it was a hell of a deal. Tower is yelling at her asking if they need assistance. No response. About 15 SWA rampers run over to assist in case they deploy slides. Then, after about 90 seconds, they taxi away from the fence leaving the #1 slat dangling by a thread. DOH!!!
Oh, sorry. Getting off the thread a tad there. Won't happen again.
PT
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PT,
Been landing at BUR since 1966, pistons, turboprops, jets....and 08 (07 years before) has always been the same, no different then, or now.
If you pay attention, no problems.
A Flying Tiger Connie many years ago got tangled in the wires about a mile short...with bad results.
You gotta admit, those particular SW clowns were really ignorant.
Been landing at BUR since 1966, pistons, turboprops, jets....and 08 (07 years before) has always been the same, no different then, or now.
If you pay attention, no problems.
A Flying Tiger Connie many years ago got tangled in the wires about a mile short...with bad results.
You gotta admit, those particular SW clowns were really ignorant.
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I feel badly -- and puzzled -- that some of you (AAL Silverbird, most obviously) seem so negative toward Lomcevak's post. I'm just pax, and somewhat white-knuckled at that -- and I've been considerably reassured re my safety in the air by reading pprune. I've learned that I really can't judge from my humble little coach seat how deeply the plane has banked, etc. And now I know that should I ever need to fly into ABQ, I may well experience an approach that seems a little scary but just to me, not to the Captain. And that's fine. It's whether he (or she) knows what (s)he's doing that matters. I think that one of the reasons we pax sometimes get scared is that when we encounter something that feels different from the smooth, gradual descents and relatively soft landings with which we've usually been spoiled, we make the mistake of thinking that something's wrong -- and that the Captain might have been unprepared or erred in some way. Knowing that the approach to ABQ is often a little "complex" makes quite a difference -- because I'll know that the Captain is quite ready for and in fact expecting that "complexity." (probably not a very good word to describe it, I know)
AAL Silverbird: I certainly am not knocking you in any way. I fly AA and have never had any qualms about the expertise of the crew, flight or cabin.
AAL Silverbird: I certainly am not knocking you in any way. I fly AA and have never had any qualms about the expertise of the crew, flight or cabin.
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As one that routinely flies in and out of ABQ, I can unequivocably say that it is usually an airshow. The approach to 26 from the east is fun, to say the least........... It's always bumpy going over the mountains, and once you clear them, you turn base way above profile, necessitating "square" turns. There is probably more room between the Sandia Mts. and the runway threshold than meets the eye, but they look REAL close!
