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Old 4th Sep 2003, 20:12
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From Friends Reunited!

I think the following may need changing

I moved to Africa (Nigeria, South Africa and Burundi) where I ran a couple of cargo and passenger airlines for several years. Did an MA in Psych and an MSc in Airline Management.

Now back in Scotland, where I was planning on starting a new airline but those plans have been put on hold following the events of Sept 11 01. Currently looking for something else to do - all suggestions welcome!

Divorced, one son (Luke) born in 1996 who lives with his mother in South Africa.

I can be contacted at or on +44(0)7715 034548
20/01/2002 23:11:23
Perhaps Neil will have to go online and change his details to c/o HM Prison Barlinnie, Seclusion Wing, Glasgow.
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Old 4th Sep 2003, 21:40
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Sadly, as a parent, I have been there and got the tee shirt.

When I found out it had happened to my child, I immediately went to the tool box and picked out the biggest spanner I could find, intent on paying the man a visit.

Fortunately for me my wife (now my ex) hid my car keys and phoned my best mate who at the time was a police inspector. She managed to calm me down enough to made me give him a call and I'm glad I did because had I have gone round and reshaped the pervs head the police wouldn't have gone to see him the next afternoon and catch him in the act again.

I had to be content in the knowledge that ponces are targetted in HMP's.
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Have a look here at the section for Tuesday 9th September '03: Scottish Courts - High Court of the Justiciary - Deferred Sentencing

Is the Neil Robertson referred to the one and the same nonce, and what does 'deferred sentencing' mean ?

If it is indeed PPRuNe's favourite nonce, is anyhbody going to be in the area of the court to see what Lord Reed hands down - and has anybody got any inside track on Lord Reed, i.e. is he a hang'm & flog'm judge of the old school ? Let's hope so !
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Oh bloody hurrah - Robertson is going to be sentenced by the same F***WIT who yesterday gave another nonce 5 years for raping a baby and indecently assaulting a 6 year old - god help us all

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3080436.stm

Lord Robert John Reed's contact details from Who's Who are "Court of Session, Parliament House, Parliament Square, Edinburgh, EH1 1RQ" - maybe a letter or two of protest about his verdict yesterday may affect the way he sentences this sort of crime in the future ?

He is 46 (47 on Sunday 7/9) - he has been married for 15 years and has two daughters - you would think he would know better really....

This info is also available on the Burke's Peerage website so no secrets, nothing inappropriate about posting it here

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Old 8th Sep 2003, 04:17
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Danny,

In case you didn't get this posting from another group, I found it while cleaning out the computer from 2001. I don't know who it is from, but it certainly adds another nail in the coffin.

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"We haven't really talked with Caledonian Wings." was the reply when I asked Delta Air Lines about the airline.

Frequent visitors of this website, or people who know about the Lockheed L-1011 TriStar well, probably thought ÒWhat!?Ó the moment you read this first sentence. Caledonian Wings, formerly known as Celtic Airways, has been known for its humongous, ironic plan that took the airline industry observers by surprise; a plan to purchase 44 L-1011s from Delta Air Lines. Neil Robertson, the Chief Executive Officer of Caledonian Wings has been telling the media since early this year that he is under negotiations with Delta, and that talks were progressing smoothly, despite slowly. Robertson said the new airline would offer low-fare transatlantic flights from Scotland's Prestwick International Airport commencing April 2001. He claims the airline will grow quickly, becoming the largest operator of the L-1011, opening and thus developing Scottish tourism. Well, then what did Delta's words mean!?

I have received numerous letters asking whether Caledonian Wings really existed or not. They had announced their existence in spring 2000, and surprised, when they told the media that they intended to acquire 44 L-1011s from Delta for ACMI (Aircraft Crew Maintenance Insurance) services. Robertson reported that the new airline would be based at Shannon, and that a huge L-1011 overhaul complex would be built there. But, when Robertson kept giving similar announcements on and on that he was "making progress, despite slowly", shades of dark clouds started to gather in our minds.

When Robertson first emailed me, he was not asking me to assist in finding an airworthy L-1011 TriStar available at a reasonable price, but instead asked me if I could suggest a good name for his new airline! I replied "Excel" (now used by former Sabre Airways), but then he told me that he had made up his mind on "Celtic Airways", the reason being that "Celtic" was his favorite word. Next, he emailed me a large chart identifying the names and registrations he hoped to apply to the L-1011s he planned to acquire, which he hadn't even submitted to the Ireland's aviation authority. After that, he introduced me Africargo Airlines and told me that they operated ACMI leases worldwide with Boeing 747Fs, L-1011Fs and "many" cargo propliners. He also told me about City Connexions Airlines, which he said was a local airline based in Burundi utilizing a fleet of "fuel-efficient" Canadair CL-44s. I searched for the two airlines in several aviation directories and publications, including "JP Airline Fleets", but I could not find anything about it, and nor did my friends did. Robertson told me that he negotiated with BWIA for three months in acquiring three L-1011-500s. He reports that the negotiations were terminated since BWIA asked too much money for the aircraft. But BWIA has nothing about the discussions on their website. Before summer, Robertson told me that he had plans on setting up a leasing company exclusively for the L-1011 in Gibraltar named Elten Acquisitions Limited, and that Caledonian Wings would lease the L-1011s from them. Well, let's see, what's the point of leasing aircraft from a subsidiary leasing company? Recently, he told me that he would rename his airline "Caledonian Wings" with the "parent company"(?) being named "Wings Holdings", although he didn't tell me any reasons for this move. He then told me his tie up with BPI Aerospace to form a large company to acquire the L-1011s from Delta. But BPI Aerospace has nothing about it on their website either.

The most important thing for any kind of business is "money." He has boasted of creating 250 jobs at Prestwick with direct flights to Boston, Orlando, New York, Los Angeles, Toronto, and Washington DC for as little as 165 pounds roundtrip. Recently, he said that he was close to clinching a 30 million-pound deal with Delta to buy three of its aging L-1011s. Remember, the "deal" was to have led to Robertson buying 44 aircraft, instead of three. But a senior Delta source revealed "The last time this news came out, checked and the reality was we have never actually talked with them. We run up against this sort of thing on a regular basis. It enhances their public perception and, in a lot of cases, enhances negotiations with governments and others to say they are talking with Delta Air Lines." A Delta spokesman said it was their policy not to identify firms involved in buying aircraft until the deal was complete. But in anyway, they revealed that Robertson was an "unreliable client". Robertson's last HQ was an office at Bujumbura Airport in Burundi. A friend of mine who is involved the airline business said that in the beginning of this year, Robertson came up to him and asked if he could find a job! An airline is nothing without aircraft and employees. I tried writing emails to different departments at Wings Holdings to find out more about Robertson's biography, but surprisingly, all of them were replied by Robertson. Is there anyone who works for Robertson?

Talking more about "aircraft", Robertson reportedly purchased N31023 (msn 1080) from PK Airfinance. This fact is extremely hard to believe, since this aircraft is one of the TriStars which have accumulated the highest hours, having logged 71,299 hours. The aircraft would absolutely need a C-Check. In addition, the aircraft has been stored at Kingman, Arizona since its retirement from Trans World Airlines back in September 1997. The aircraft sitting on the desert sands at Kingman, and it did not seem airworthy at all. Asking the sources, they said that they haven't heard of Caledonian Wings, and that the aircraft may have to be scrapped soon, since a new owner could not be found.

Neil claims to have acquired Boeing 707, Douglas DC-8 experience, but according to sources who actually know him, the only genuine pilot he has obtained is a South African PPL and in no ways above that. He is at age 35, and he claims his firm, Caledonian Wings, will pioneer flights from Prestwick International Airport to the USA and Canada. But research revealed that the closest Robertson has come to being an airline tycoon was running two clapped-out freight planes from a dusty airstrip in Africa under the name of Africargo Airlines, which was not listed in any airline directories. But, as previously mentioned, Robertson boasted that the airline operated Boeing 747Fs, L-1011Fs and many propliners. And the thing is this even ended up in disaster. Seven months ago, both planes were blown up by explosions which killed more than 100 people. But all of this was flipped over later, as more "truth" started to show from the dark. It came out that both Africargo and City Connexion were "paper" or "internet" airlines. The CL-44, which is reportedly registered 9U-BHI, does have that registration but has never been owned or operated by neither City Connexions nor Robertson. This was revealed by one of the actual owners of the aircraft. The "Sunday Mail" has taken up Robertson many times, and they can also reveal that he, who calls himself "The Guvnor" on PPrune and "Ceilidh" on Airliners Net, has been involved in more than 10 "airlines" - few, if any of which ever made it into the air. According to their information, his bases have included a string of war-torn African countries notorious for diamond and arms smuggling. Robertson, whose only pilot's qualification is a lapsed licence he bought in Nigeria for 60 pounds, returned home to England to set up Caledonian Wings. Plugging the firm on TV and in the Press, he said it would be Scotland's first international airline. Prestwick's managing director, Tom Wilson, was persuaded that the new airline could get off the ground. He said "If it gets the planes and finance to start up, there is no doubt it will work. We would welcome transatlantic flights back with open arms. It would be a major stimulant for the Ayrshire economy." But they also said that "At this stage Caledonian Wings is an idea - so far the company has not yet purchased aircraft from supplier Delta. We hope of course that finance can be raised however until that happens, Prestwick is not involved." And despite publishing ticket prices and advertising for staff, Robertson's airline has no aircraft or pilots whatsoever. The company's "switchboard" is Robertson's mobile phone, while the "office" is his laptop computer. And the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) has never heard of him or his firm. On his website, Robertson still claims he will be raising 350 million pounds to buy and overhaul 44 L-1011s.

Robertson has been involved at various levels with "airlines" in Equatorial Guinea, Uganda, Rwanda, Tanzania and the Democratic Republic of Congo. As previously mentiones, the common fact about the areas is that all of them are notorious for its civil wars, corruption and lawlessness. Robertson's firms included City Connexions, SecureAir, FreshAir, TransOceanic, PegasusAir, Lionair, Skymaster Freight, Trans Lloyd Cargo and Africargo Airlines. And not even Africargo operated any aircraft. It was run by Robertson and another of his firms, City Connexions. The two propeller-driven freight planes told to have been operated by Africargo, built in 1961 and 1964, were destroyed, or at least heavily damaged, at Kinshasa Airport in the Democratic Republic of Congo in April anyway. The inferno was blamed on a soldier dropping explosives. At least 100 people died and 200 were injured. Shortly before the catastrophe, Robertson announced that City Connexions were also grounded, blaming it on "political problems". The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) said anyone wanting to run an airline in the UK would need both an Air Operating Certificate (AOC) and an Operating Licence. But a CAA spokeswoman said few days ago that they had not been contacted by Caledonian Wings or any other firm Robertson has used for his latest venture - Celtic Airways, Celtic Aviation, Celtic Caledonian, Wings Holdings or the Odyssey Group. Even if they had been contacted, applying for such rights takes more than six months national and an additional four months for international routes. Robertson's plans seem way too premature, don't you think so?

In January 2001, Robertson reported that due to "difficulties", the inaugural flight will not take place until April 2002. He also says that he has posted the availability of their L-1011s for wet-lease contracts and that the response from the industry was great. Can this be? Even Air Atlanta Icelandic, who is well-known for their ACMI leases, is having some hardships in finding contractors. Later, Robertson released news that he is now ready to place his first TriStar online, which he claims is N31023 (msn 1080), as previously mentioned. He used the wording "ready to rock'n roll", but is the aircraft really going to? Early this year, a representative from an aviation company made a visit to Kingman, Arizona, where N31023 is parked, like most other remaining TriStars which were with Trans World Airlines. He reported that the aircraft was still sitting on sand, missing all of its three engines and many other vital parts, and looking like if it is going to be scrapped soon. According to his report, the aircraft has not been touched for many years. Well, then what did Robertson mean by "rock'n roll"? Is he going to convert the aircraft into a disco or what?

They they have no aircraft, no crew, no rights, and they are missing the most important thing of all, cash! Also, as this article points out, there are serious doubts about Robertson's words.

This article was posted on: April 4, 2001

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Old 8th Sep 2003, 04:18
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Danny --

Thank you for a job most well done, sir! You have my fullest respect for not only the outstanding job with this web site / bulletin board, but as well as for this, and also my fullest appreciation.
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Old 10th Sep 2003, 01:09
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I can confirm, that Neil received a life sentence.


Source: Scotland Today

Don't suppose you seen it PPRuNe Radar ?


Life eh ? - too right!


Well done Danny again !

[link to Scotland Todays' website]

the full story is there
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Old 10th Sep 2003, 02:17
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'Life' with a minimum of six years, from the BBC:

On Tuesday, [Lord Reed] took 25 minutes to explain why Robertson deserved a life sentence. He said Robertson presented a considerable danger to the public and should serve at least six years in jail.

He stressed it did not follow that he would be released then and it would be up to the parole board to decide when Robertson should be freed.
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Old 10th Sep 2003, 02:45
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Result !

I hope the swine rots !

Once again, congrats to all involved in bringing this to the authorities attention. At least the judge got it right on this occasion.

Evanelpus, words can't express my sympathy for what your daughter and your family must have been through.

Hope all is as well as it can be for the future.
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Old 10th Sep 2003, 10:37
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Excellent work

Here here,

I think the number of postings to this forum summs it all up Danny- you've done humanity a great service.

Lets hope the sick son of a b*&%h gets the treatment he deserves in prison.

Thanks for taking the initiative Danny.

Cheers,
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Old 10th Sep 2003, 18:30
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Danny,

Thank you - I hope that this will bring closure for all of us affected by him as well.

"the psycho ex"
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Old 10th Sep 2003, 18:42
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Hi Ghost

It was my son, not my daughter. Not that that should make any difference to how I felt at the time.


Thanks for the kind words, time as they say, is a great healer and my boy is a normal, well adjusted teenager. When this all happened he was the one who had the courage to tell us what had happened and prevented other children suffering the same fate. We were, and still are, extremely proud of him.
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