French ATC - are they on strike on Monday, 2nd?
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French ATC - are they on strike on Monday, 2nd?
Not sure if it's scaremongering, but keep hearing that French ATC are on strike on Monday, nothing on CFMU AIMs, any ideas?
Can see that it'd be great if they were on strike on Monday following the Monaco Grand Prix...
Thanks.
Can see that it'd be great if they were on strike on Monday following the Monaco Grand Prix...
Thanks.
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Some more info;
AIM : VALID 03 JUN 2003 REF NOTAM A1322
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DUE TO STRIKE AFFECTING FRENCH CIVIL AVIATION SERVICES ON 03 JUN
2003 0400-2100
ALL RPLS DEPARTING AND ARRIVING FRANCE ARE SUSPENDED FOR THIS
PERIOD.
.
AIRCRAFT OPERATORS WHOSE RPLS HAVE BEEN SUSPENDED BUT APPEAR ON
THEMINIMUM SERVICE LIST WILL BE REQUIRED TO FILE AN INDIVIDUAL
FPL FORTHESE FLIGHTS.
.
AIRCRAFT OPERATORS SHOULD ALSO BE AWARE THAT RPL DATA WHICH IS
SUSPENDED WILL STILL BE VISIBLE ON RCA/CIA AS RPL DATA.
.
NMC BRUSSELS
ON BEHALF OF RPL SUPERVISOR
Cheers
AIM : VALID 03 JUN 2003 REF NOTAM A1322
.
DUE TO STRIKE AFFECTING FRENCH CIVIL AVIATION SERVICES ON 03 JUN
2003 0400-2100
ALL RPLS DEPARTING AND ARRIVING FRANCE ARE SUSPENDED FOR THIS
PERIOD.
.
AIRCRAFT OPERATORS WHOSE RPLS HAVE BEEN SUSPENDED BUT APPEAR ON
THEMINIMUM SERVICE LIST WILL BE REQUIRED TO FILE AN INDIVIDUAL
FPL FORTHESE FLIGHTS.
.
AIRCRAFT OPERATORS SHOULD ALSO BE AWARE THAT RPL DATA WHICH IS
SUSPENDED WILL STILL BE VISIBLE ON RCA/CIA AS RPL DATA.
.
NMC BRUSSELS
ON BEHALF OF RPL SUPERVISOR
Cheers
Ut Sementem Feeceris
Sod everyone else.............
Isn't it about time the €U had a word with our French "cousins" about their persistent penchant for completely screwing up the rest of €urope over what is a DOMESTIC issue i.e. their pensions!
I think that every airline affected by this should invoice the French government for the extra fuel, delays, HOTAC, additional leasing costs (more time in the air flying around France), crew flight duty pay etc etc.
Most airlines are having a hard enough time at the moment without needing an additional hit on the bottom line because Piere is worried about his retirement! I'm worried about my retirement pension and their action will have a direct effect at reducing mine to, due to the cost to the European economy, which some of MY pension is invested in.
Still I think the day that the French work force take a "reasonable" attitude will occur when hell freezes over (burning imported sheep alive
, lorry drivers blocking all the main routes so NO ONE can get through, blockading the ports etc etc......) And before anyone goes off on one saying I'm racist / xenophobic etc - I'm not. I just think it's plain wrong that a when a countrys workforce has a beef with ITS government the rest of the continent have to suffer and pick up the bill.
As the title says.............. sod everyone else......
Au revoir
A4
I think that every airline affected by this should invoice the French government for the extra fuel, delays, HOTAC, additional leasing costs (more time in the air flying around France), crew flight duty pay etc etc.
Most airlines are having a hard enough time at the moment without needing an additional hit on the bottom line because Piere is worried about his retirement! I'm worried about my retirement pension and their action will have a direct effect at reducing mine to, due to the cost to the European economy, which some of MY pension is invested in.
Still I think the day that the French work force take a "reasonable" attitude will occur when hell freezes over (burning imported sheep alive
, lorry drivers blocking all the main routes so NO ONE can get through, blockading the ports etc etc......) And before anyone goes off on one saying I'm racist / xenophobic etc - I'm not. I just think it's plain wrong that a when a countrys workforce has a beef with ITS government the rest of the continent have to suffer and pick up the bill.As the title says.............. sod everyone else......
Au revoir
A4
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A4 - my sentiments exactly.
When will the airlines get the compensation from the French Authorities that they are now entitled to under EU law?
Isn't it about time a few airlines got together - ie Easy/Ryan/Baby and witheld payment of navigation charges and landing fees until they receive compensation?
The whole EU seems to be a free trade organisation - but only on the days the French are not blockading ports, closing their airspace, or burning foreign imports.
Message to the french - everyone accross Europe is having their pension screwed, if not by a government then by fat cat CEO's. Face up to it, get over it and GET BACK TO WORK.
When will the airlines get the compensation from the French Authorities that they are now entitled to under EU law?
Isn't it about time a few airlines got together - ie Easy/Ryan/Baby and witheld payment of navigation charges and landing fees until they receive compensation?
The whole EU seems to be a free trade organisation - but only on the days the French are not blockading ports, closing their airspace, or burning foreign imports.
Message to the french - everyone accross Europe is having their pension screwed, if not by a government then by fat cat CEO's. Face up to it, get over it and GET BACK TO WORK.
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If NATS made a significant threat to my pension I'd be out the door too.
As for ATS providers paying compensation for delays, there could be far reaching consequences of no benefit to the industry at all.
As for ATS providers paying compensation for delays, there could be far reaching consequences of no benefit to the industry at all.
Ut Sementem Feeceris
Arkady.
It's not the French NATS that's causing the problem, it is Government policy for ALL workers. So it is a domestic issue - a bit like our Poll Tax if you like.
How do you think Europe would have reacted if, say we had closed down the CFMU in Brussells because our council tax went up (26% for me!!!) this year. They would, quite rightly, say "what the bl00dy hell are you going ? This has nothing to do with us!"
The same applies to the French pension problem. So as timzsta says, face up to it - but don't ****** up everyone else because YOU have problems!
A4
PS Does anyone know if the French ever paid any of the Łx,000 per day fine for continuing to refuse to import British Beef, despite being ORDERED to by the €U ? As far as I'm aware this went on (and may still be) for months with a proverbial "deux digits" to the UK and the €U. I think we should be told
It's not the French NATS that's causing the problem, it is Government policy for ALL workers. So it is a domestic issue - a bit like our Poll Tax if you like.
How do you think Europe would have reacted if, say we had closed down the CFMU in Brussells because our council tax went up (26% for me!!!) this year. They would, quite rightly, say "what the bl00dy hell are you going ? This has nothing to do with us!"
The same applies to the French pension problem. So as timzsta says, face up to it - but don't ****** up everyone else because YOU have problems!
A4
PS Does anyone know if the French ever paid any of the Łx,000 per day fine for continuing to refuse to import British Beef, despite being ORDERED to by the €U ? As far as I'm aware this went on (and may still be) for months with a proverbial "deux digits" to the UK and the €U. I think we should be told
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TurboJ,
Yes french airspace can be avoided from UK to canaries. Bit out of the way from london, but the normal route from GLA, and not too unusual from NCL / MAN. Route is out towards south ireland then either following 9 degrees west or 16 degrees west southbound.
Yes french airspace can be avoided from UK to canaries. Bit out of the way from london, but the normal route from GLA, and not too unusual from NCL / MAN. Route is out towards south ireland then either following 9 degrees west or 16 degrees west southbound.
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A4
I am not endorsing the actions of French ATC or other workers in this specific case. I am merely saying that I would strike if my pension was threatened (NATS being the most likely culprit) and damn the rest of the Industry. I imagine most have us have an issue that would make us feel that way.
As for this particular dispute, who are we to tell the French to put up, shut up and go back to work? The French way is confrontation, as it once was the British. If the French people in the form of an elected Government wish to conduct their Industrial Relations in this way then WE should put up (but not shut up) and move our business elsewhere. God forbid that all peoples should react the same way all of the time just to facilitate international commerce.
I am not endorsing the actions of French ATC or other workers in this specific case. I am merely saying that I would strike if my pension was threatened (NATS being the most likely culprit) and damn the rest of the Industry. I imagine most have us have an issue that would make us feel that way.
As for this particular dispute, who are we to tell the French to put up, shut up and go back to work? The French way is confrontation, as it once was the British. If the French people in the form of an elected Government wish to conduct their Industrial Relations in this way then WE should put up (but not shut up) and move our business elsewhere. God forbid that all peoples should react the same way all of the time just to facilitate international commerce.
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French strikes...
The ATC strike tomorrow is just the tip of the iceberg, all the public service sector workers are affected by the pension changes and they are all basicly against it, so most of them are striking....
ATC
Buses
Trains
Teachers
Hospital staff
EDF/GDF
And more....
Its going to be such fun here.....
ATC
Buses
Trains
Teachers
Hospital staff
EDF/GDF
And more....
Its going to be such fun here.....
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Why not discuss the basis of the strike? It affects all of us after all.
If we are to believe what we are told there is not enough cash in the pension funds to pay for our retirement at the usual age of 65. We are all living longer and there are less younger folk to pay the bill than in former times.
The options seem clear. We either pay higher contributions, we work longer or we take lower pensions.
Striking is not the answer. To keep saying NO and hoping the problem will go away is not a mature response, especially when it endangers the livelihoods of others.
Our industry has traditionally had an early retirement age compared to others, obviously for medical reasons. But since we are now all supposed to be fitter for longer why not work longer?
Or do you all prefer the other options?
I'm eager to hear your views.
flowman
If we are to believe what we are told there is not enough cash in the pension funds to pay for our retirement at the usual age of 65. We are all living longer and there are less younger folk to pay the bill than in former times.
The options seem clear. We either pay higher contributions, we work longer or we take lower pensions.
Striking is not the answer. To keep saying NO and hoping the problem will go away is not a mature response, especially when it endangers the livelihoods of others.
Our industry has traditionally had an early retirement age compared to others, obviously for medical reasons. But since we are now all supposed to be fitter for longer why not work longer?
Or do you all prefer the other options?
I'm eager to hear your views.
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Flowman - my opinion exactly.
As for screwing up the rest of Europe for their own personnal, selfish ends, that has always made my blood boil... Before anyone accuses me of anti-French feelings, I'll just add that... I'm French too (an "economic" refugee in Britain).
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As for screwing up the rest of Europe for their own personnal, selfish ends, that has always made my blood boil... Before anyone accuses me of anti-French feelings, I'll just add that... I'm French too (an "economic" refugee in Britain).
Cheers
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http://www.satirewire.com/briefs/strike.shtml
>You betcha. It's an open ended job for all civil servants. The last
> one, in 1967, lasted 3 weeks.
Not to mention the strikes in...
Jun 2000
Dec 2001
Nov 2002
>You betcha. It's an open ended job for all civil servants. The last
> one, in 1967, lasted 3 weeks.
Not to mention the strikes in...
Jun 2000
Dec 2001
Nov 2002
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When was the last time British airline staff went on strike to protest against forced reductions in their pensions/T&Cs/salaries etc?
I bet the disruption our French brothers are causing will get them a result in the end. We had our chance against the orange peril and surprise surprise it was voted out by the membership.
Frenchmen excepted, it looks like the "put up or shut up" brigade rule the roost.
Action Direct mes braves!
I bet the disruption our French brothers are causing will get them a result in the end. We had our chance against the orange peril and surprise surprise it was voted out by the membership.
Frenchmen excepted, it looks like the "put up or shut up" brigade rule the roost.
Action Direct mes braves!
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What a pathetic argument; If people not affected by a dispute are inconvenienced, then it is wrong.
So if pilots at a particular airline go on strike, because they are having a dispute with the company, the customers should sue the pilots? After all, it has nothing to do with them!
I would've thought the point of striking was to cause the very disruptions to others that would bring pressure to bear on the company/government/whatever.
I'm surprised to see people anywhere striking these days. Personal debt, lack of job security etc has conspired to emasculate people industrially the world over. Especially the airline industry.
Maybe some here should direct their anger better.
So if pilots at a particular airline go on strike, because they are having a dispute with the company, the customers should sue the pilots? After all, it has nothing to do with them!
I would've thought the point of striking was to cause the very disruptions to others that would bring pressure to bear on the company/government/whatever.
I'm surprised to see people anywhere striking these days. Personal debt, lack of job security etc has conspired to emasculate people industrially the world over. Especially the airline industry.
Maybe some here should direct their anger better.
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A4 No the French never paid their fine over the 'Beef' issue.
When they eventually agreed after 3 years to take beef the fine imposed was quietly forgotten about by the EU thus sending quite the wrong signal to all and once more showing up the whole EU as a bureaucratic nightmare.
When they eventually agreed after 3 years to take beef the fine imposed was quietly forgotten about by the EU thus sending quite the wrong signal to all and once more showing up the whole EU as a bureaucratic nightmare.