Chinese leader's plane 'bugged'
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Chinese leader's plane 'bugged'
Poor Yanks, they still seem to suffer from paranoya...! What a blow...!
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1769000/1769642.stm" target="_blank">News from BBC</a>
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<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1769000/1769642.stm" target="_blank">News from BBC</a>
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If the CIA did not try to bug it, they should have been fired.
That's what we pay spooks for, isn't it?
They may have been found out this time, but there have been plenty of times when top quality intelligence has kept the folks on our side ahead of the game.
Keep it up guys!
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That's what we pay spooks for, isn't it?
They may have been found out this time, but there have been plenty of times when top quality intelligence has kept the folks on our side ahead of the game.
Keep it up guys!
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I thought it was standard equipment, at least for those classes above or in front of cattle-class at the-back-of-the-bus.
My detector tells me that at least 2 european airlines have something running at least - or can anybody from France or Germany confirm that that is a lie for their national airlines ?
Best place to fish for info - up there.
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Don't forget ALL intenational phones are recorded and scanned - so what happens with in internet messages - grow up, of course they are.
My detector tells me that at least 2 european airlines have something running at least - or can anybody from France or Germany confirm that that is a lie for their national airlines ?
Best place to fish for info - up there.
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Don't forget ALL intenational phones are recorded and scanned - so what happens with in internet messages - grow up, of course they are.
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Well Paterbrat,
no matter who's right or wrong in this case, the US made a fool out of themselves.
I wonder why these news just surfaced now, and not at the time the bugs were discovered. Perhaps some US "diplomatic magic" failed this time.
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no matter who's right or wrong in this case, the US made a fool out of themselves.
I wonder why these news just surfaced now, and not at the time the bugs were discovered. Perhaps some US "diplomatic magic" failed this time.
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SHOCKING!!!
Sounds to me like the Chinese put the bugs there themselves, then blames the US for planting them. People without critical thinking skills (and there's A LOT of them) buy the story on face value. The Chinese put the US on a PR defensive, and get the US to concede to Chinese demands on other issue - human rights, trade, Taiwan, etc.
1. If the Chinese buy a jetliner from us, they are as a matter of security, going to sweep the plane, nose to tail for any bugs, right??? We know this, the Chinese knows this. They make their people live in the 12th century, but the leadership sure has a security apparatus par excellance.
2. They "find" bugs in obvious and clumsy places like bed headboards etc. Please.
3. Or MAYBE, some were put in clumsy places to make them think they found them all, when the real ones are undectectable?
Maybe the Chinese should build their own aircraft -- they seem capable of building nuclear weapons and long range missiles.
Bottom line. It's doesn't mean a friggin' thing - just a BS story played up by the news media.
Sounds to me like the Chinese put the bugs there themselves, then blames the US for planting them. People without critical thinking skills (and there's A LOT of them) buy the story on face value. The Chinese put the US on a PR defensive, and get the US to concede to Chinese demands on other issue - human rights, trade, Taiwan, etc.
1. If the Chinese buy a jetliner from us, they are as a matter of security, going to sweep the plane, nose to tail for any bugs, right??? We know this, the Chinese knows this. They make their people live in the 12th century, but the leadership sure has a security apparatus par excellance.
2. They "find" bugs in obvious and clumsy places like bed headboards etc. Please.
3. Or MAYBE, some were put in clumsy places to make them think they found them all, when the real ones are undectectable?
Maybe the Chinese should build their own aircraft -- they seem capable of building nuclear weapons and long range missiles.
Bottom line. It's doesn't mean a friggin' thing - just a BS story played up by the news media.
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According to news reports, the aircraft left the Boeing factory “green”, and proceeded to a third-party contractor for installation of the interior. Chinese security personnel scrutinized every phase of the installation. Seems to me this is strictly an internal Chinese problem, apparently they have already arrested dozens of their own people.
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Roadtrip:
This incident happened almost 3 months ago and If the Chinese what to make an issue of it they would've done it at that time. What happened was that the story was first leaked out by western diplomats to the media and THEN the Chinese 'unoffically' commented. China and the US have NEVER made any offical comments.
Also I wouldn't be too surprised if the presidental plane of Japan and Taiwan (Both Boeings) were bugged by the US. It's a routine procedure that the public (And us) should not be taken too seriously.
This incident happened almost 3 months ago and If the Chinese what to make an issue of it they would've done it at that time. What happened was that the story was first leaked out by western diplomats to the media and THEN the Chinese 'unoffically' commented. China and the US have NEVER made any offical comments.
Also I wouldn't be too surprised if the presidental plane of Japan and Taiwan (Both Boeings) were bugged by the US. It's a routine procedure that the public (And us) should not be taken too seriously.
Could any body with technical knowledge give an idea how the data picked up from these sensors would be down loaded to the spooks? Presumably the data has to be stored somewhere in some onboard electronics and retrieved some how.
Could it be piggybacked, say on engine data or some other system parameters, and transmitted via ACARS to be stripped and sent elsewhere. Sounds like very hi tech cloak and dagger stuff but I would presume not impossible.
Ah soooooooo, always wonder what that black box was!!!!!
Could it be piggybacked, say on engine data or some other system parameters, and transmitted via ACARS to be stripped and sent elsewhere. Sounds like very hi tech cloak and dagger stuff but I would presume not impossible.
Ah soooooooo, always wonder what that black box was!!!!!
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Apparently business as usual, our press reporting techs sent to monitor the refit for this very thing arrested and a $20million discrepancy reported between what was charged and what was paid.. .Probably arrested because they didn't share it with the right people.
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Guys n' Gals,
I think Roadtrip has hit the nail on the head, as of this morning there is still nothing in any of the major Chinese newspapers over here (then again thay are state run and censored......)
FT.
I think Roadtrip has hit the nail on the head, as of this morning there is still nothing in any of the major Chinese newspapers over here (then again thay are state run and censored......)
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I remember thinking how ironic it was that the Chineese were not only buying the 767 these days, but having it outfitted here as well.. .By the way Durango Kid, if you would like to purchase audio tapes of some Chineese dude snoring and s#!ting ( well...that is the most likely thing you'll hear from those bugs mentioned ) send a self addressed stamped envelope to the US Govt. printing office Pueblo CO blah blah blah blah blah!
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Well well well, some of you guys seem to suffer from a blind loyalty towards your country - can't really blame you though, I would probably have done the same thing, if it would have been my countryfellowmen who made a fool out of themselves. BTW, They do that often, but nothing to do with spying though! <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
However, the spying business is most likely done by different governments widespread througout the world, I don't know, and I don't care - but being caught with your pants down is certaintly embarrasing for the US no matter what, as it would have been for any other government being caught pants down!! <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
Roadtrip: [quote]People without critical thinking skills (and there's A LOT of them) buy the story on face value. <hr></blockquote> - I rate people with irrational imagination at just about the same level!
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However, the spying business is most likely done by different governments widespread througout the world, I don't know, and I don't care - but being caught with your pants down is certaintly embarrasing for the US no matter what, as it would have been for any other government being caught pants down!! <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
Roadtrip: [quote]People without critical thinking skills (and there's A LOT of them) buy the story on face value. <hr></blockquote> - I rate people with irrational imagination at just about the same level!
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All governments spy. On other governments. On industries. On their own people. Nothing new about that. Please refer to "The Gallic Campaigns" by Julius Caesar", and "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu.
My personal feeling is that I'm glad we did it, if it was in fact "us" and not some corporate interest, or maybe the Peoples Army, or some other internal faction. If "we" weren't responsible for the bugs, then whoever should have put them in the plane needs to be pink-slipped. If "we" did do it, then whoever put them where they could be found should be pink-slipped as well.
I wonder, had Neville Chamberlain been able to bug Hitler's plane, would he have waved that stupid piece of paper around for the cameras and declared "peace in our time"?
Would you have?
All governments spy. On other governments. On industries. On their own people. Nothing new about that. Please refer to "The Gallic Campaigns" by Julius Caesar", and "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu.
My personal feeling is that I'm glad we did it, if it was in fact "us" and not some corporate interest, or maybe the Peoples Army, or some other internal faction. If "we" weren't responsible for the bugs, then whoever should have put them in the plane needs to be pink-slipped. If "we" did do it, then whoever put them where they could be found should be pink-slipped as well.
I wonder, had Neville Chamberlain been able to bug Hitler's plane, would he have waved that stupid piece of paper around for the cameras and declared "peace in our time"?
Would you have?
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Nope I don't but it for a second, When the NSA can listen to cell phone converstations. They can listen to that Chicom too. Its pure bull so they could have something to bitch about. NSA listens to everything. You would not belive what they are able to do, Cell phone's hell they been able to do that for at least 10 years. Gee if we really wanted to bug that airplane, they would have done it much more professional than what has been reported. Then again it could have been all a prank to play with there heads. They are most likly ripping that airplane to junk. I just love this stuff. May be it was just a little pay back.
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To All:
The Government of the People Republic of China made a mistake when they decided to buy that Boeing. None of this would have happened if they had bought French and you can rest assured they (the Chinese) will remember this and the Ep-3 episode for a long time to come. In the long run it will cost you hand on chest lot zillions.
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The Government of the People Republic of China made a mistake when they decided to buy that Boeing. None of this would have happened if they had bought French and you can rest assured they (the Chinese) will remember this and the Ep-3 episode for a long time to come. In the long run it will cost you hand on chest lot zillions.
KIFIS
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