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Old 29th May 2003, 09:34
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Depending on the size of the storm, you can encounter hail a fair distance - say five miles or so - downwind of the actual cell while in the clear.
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Old 29th May 2003, 12:11
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I flew in a BMIBaby Fokker 100 recently?
bmi mainline Fokker 100's have been helping out at bmi baby. A couple of weeks ago there were still one or two at EMA. I don't know what the latest is. Be assured that bmi baby do NOT operate anything other than B737 aircraft.

As for the issue raised in this thread.....

Its all too easy these days to point the finger without knowing the full facts.
I agree. NONE of us have any HARD facts about what happened on this flight. Some of the press reports I saw yesterday were even worse than usual as far as coverage of an aviation incident is concerned. My understadning is that the AAIB HAVE to be involved in this one and therefore there WILL be a report which I have no doubt we will all be able to see. Let us make our judgements then !

Have a good day !
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Old 29th May 2003, 19:37
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So did I.. (in standard BMI livery) I understand they use 146's too on occasion.

Right now youv'e confused me, what is BMI's standard livery nowadays
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Old 29th May 2003, 22:02
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The 321 wx radar does not seem to work as well as 320 radar. I have flown into weather which was not painting on the radar. Apparently, the radome material and the design of the radome have been changed to allow the predictive windshear to operate at its optimum. The radomes have subsequently been fitted to all 321's whether or not they have PWS fitted. The result of this is that the non PWS weather radar does not work as well as the PWS fit radar.
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Old 29th May 2003, 23:18
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Interesting comment about the radomes, I have always felt that the A320/A321 radar was not as good as it was on the 737 and maybe thats the reason. Can't recall if the A321 seems worse than the 320 but I will have a think about it next time I use it. I often seem to look out of the window and think "well that should be painting" and the radar shows nothing.
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Old 30th May 2003, 00:20
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While we're on a topic about Wx Radar performance, what difference does the radome being painted black make?

Noticeable the older aircraft had black radomes, and newer aircraft / and or "maketing driven" airlines paint them all sorts of other colours...

NoD
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Old 30th May 2003, 01:29
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One thing I personally dislike about the A320 radar is that the brightness control is independent of the ND brightness control - I think that they should be the same thing.

The design means that you can have the radar switched on, but not visible because the brightness is well down. Not clever design IMHO.
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Old 30th May 2003, 03:36
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Chance photo

Phew, I think I'll have a pint or two after that!
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Old 30th May 2003, 04:50
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AJ .... that was just the photo I was looking for ......

cheers ......
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Old 30th May 2003, 15:28
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I beliebe that the radar on the 320 and 321 are different in as much as the 320 sweeps but the 321 does not and is more of a phased array. I saw the aeroplane this morning at MAN with it's new green radome. Didn't see any other damage but our lot had a similar occurence a while ago that did many many thousands of dollars of damage with cracked windscreens and tail leading edges. Beware big blobs on your screen !
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Old 31st May 2003, 04:25
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Or on your couch, in the sock drawer, coffee, etc.
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Old 1st Jun 2003, 03:10
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I read somewhere that bmi are re-naming the A321 to 'Daniella' in honour of said actress....

.... due to the aircraft's nasty encounter with snow, sustaining serious nose damage while flying high!

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Old 1st Jun 2003, 04:01
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It has been mentioned that A320's radar MAY be inferior to those on 737s.
On the contratry, the wise man beside me (A310, ATR, 737 in that order) claims that 737 has the least useful radar he has flown. I myself have little relevant experience on 737 as of yet, but from what I have seen last week over Balkan and associated WXR returns, I'd agree it's good for keeping the ship in one piece perhaps, but not for avoidance required to keep the drinks pouring.

Anyone here with experience on both types dare to compare? Or perhaps just a link to a proper post?
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Old 1st Jun 2003, 18:38
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The wx radar on the A300-600 is not particularly good. If gain is left in 'cal' - as Airbus recommend - it picks up nothing except at very, very short range when it's too late to do anything. I leave it on 50% gain.
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Old 2nd Jun 2003, 06:54
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Its time to get your boss to buy you one of these.
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Old 2nd Jun 2003, 14:22
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Its time to get your boss to buy you one of these.
Even that may not be good enough for some -- you still have to remember to turn it to "ON" yourself.
 
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Stop all the waffle, its blatently obvious it was pilot error either in avoidance or use of the radar. lets call a spade a spade. any night summer charter pilot who thinks differently will surely be next.
1. radar on
2 monitor
3 correlate with radio trafic and visual indications where you can.
4 scan down (100 feet per degree per mile.)
5 do what you get paid for. avoid conservatively.
its not your ego thats paramount its pax safety and comfort.

put down paper/hosty/ high horse and get on with it.

only one thing can save them and that is a proven faulty radar.

and i dont want to hear any nonsense about second guessing some commander on the day. if you do somethin stupid or careles when exercising this holier than god command you will be answerable.

rant over.
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Old 3rd Jun 2003, 06:52
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Dixy, I hope you get the same consideration if you have a mishap. And I know we can expect a more intelligent response fron the AAIB.
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Old 3rd Jun 2003, 18:00
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And I know we can expect a more intelligent response fron the AAIB.
They are the least of the crew's (sorry, Captain's) worries, I suspect !

Lets see how BALPA do on this one ! No prizes for guessing correctly.

(I'm assuming a non-management Captain)

"All hail to the management" ? -- sorry, could'nt resist !
 
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Grrr

dicksynormous,

Think you got it wrong mate, should be egosynormous and presumably your halo glows as well.

The company and the AAIB will ask the appropriate questions and all will be revealed in time.

1. It may have been u/s.
2. If it was on then you have to monitor it 'cos its on the ND.
3. They may have been avoiding more obvious weather.
4. See 3
5. They did what they are paid for and got it down safely.

They may only need saving from YOU.

No I don't fly for bmi!
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