Singapore Airlines - Pod Scrape at Delhi
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Aircraft bounced on landing, hit pod (don't know which) during ensuing mêlée, performed go-around then landed. Pod badly scraped, accessory g'box damaged, engine change requ'd.
Casualties no doubt to be sustained later.
Casualties no doubt to be sustained later.
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I guess that the Captain,depending on who it is will be 'released' from SIA immediately if not sooner.
As we all know some can get away with murder almost and others not in the 'establishment' will be penalised heavily for getting the wrong date on a cheque!!
As we all know some can get away with murder almost and others not in the 'establishment' will be penalised heavily for getting the wrong date on a cheque!!
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The question is whether PPRuNers are anti-SQ?
A relative of mine (operating outside of the UK) had his airspace seriously compromised on rotation and immediate departure (not sure of correct term there) by an SQ 744 (pax). He was (is) Captain and pilot flying at the time, in a J41.
The event was witness by a training captain in the following a/c who had just turned onto the runway and was able to see it all from the hold postion. ATC confirmed it and all paperwork done and all were saying that SQ were in the wrong.
Well over one year later, they can get no word of out SQ as to what action was taken against the Captain of that ship.
Does this give me confidence in SQ? Anyone can lose separation but everyone has to account for it.
A relative of mine (operating outside of the UK) had his airspace seriously compromised on rotation and immediate departure (not sure of correct term there) by an SQ 744 (pax). He was (is) Captain and pilot flying at the time, in a J41.
The event was witness by a training captain in the following a/c who had just turned onto the runway and was able to see it all from the hold postion. ATC confirmed it and all paperwork done and all were saying that SQ were in the wrong.
Well over one year later, they can get no word of out SQ as to what action was taken against the Captain of that ship.
Does this give me confidence in SQ? Anyone can lose separation but everyone has to account for it.
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Unless a company deem it to be in the public interest it is quite unlikely that they they would pass on any details of what action they took against an offender. It would be quite normal for them simply to say that disciplinary action was taken and corrective measures were taken to prevent a repeat of the incident.
As long as everyone is satisfied that action has been taken why would anyone want to know about reprimands, fines, demotions etc? That is a personal matter, I would have thought, between the offending pilot(s) and their company
As long as everyone is satisfied that action has been taken why would anyone want to know about reprimands, fines, demotions etc? That is a personal matter, I would have thought, between the offending pilot(s) and their company
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Hi doc,
that does sound interesting. I am somewhat familiar with that airport and i know that 28 is 2500 meters long. Assuming (yeah i know what that means) a touchdown half way down the runway and you'r only left with 1250 meters. While i don't fly a 744 it doesn't sound like a cakewalk. By the way, i am NOT getting on SQ's case, i know that anything can happen to anyone.
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Better to land slightly long than end up in the trees...as happened not so long ago on an approach to rny28 at ZRH.
Folks who live in glass houses (or perhaps were not accepted by SQ) should not throw stones...
Folks who live in glass houses (or perhaps were not accepted by SQ) should not throw stones...
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that's the problem, they cannot even learn if any disciplinary action HAS been taken.
There is a strong feeling in the carrier for whom my relative flies, that it has been white-washed.
As long as everyone is satisfied that action has been taken ...
There is a strong feeling in the carrier for whom my relative flies, that it has been white-washed.
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All gone quiet on this one, so I expect the aircraft commander will be part of the establishment.
Of particular note, however, to all none establishment members (for which, read ex-pat) is the announced situation that SQ is now 240 pilots over strength, due the current SARS induced downturn and that the following 10-point action plan will be implemented in full:
1. SQ will accept voluntary redundancies from contract (ex-pat) pilots but candidates will still have to pay out any training bond in force (preferred, as SQ then does not pay out 90 days salary in lieu of notice and makes on the deal by clawing back cash “spent” on training).
2. Pilots approaching retirement age will be terminated ahead of schedule if on the A310/A340 fleet (already happening).
3. If no voluntary redundancies achieved despite such a generous offer, enforced unpaid leave will be imposed (one week per two months and, nice one this, ex-pat housing allowance will not be paid during this “unproductive” period).
4. If pilots do not accept the above, retrenchments will start forthwith on a “merit” basis.
5. Er, that’s it ………..
So, steady as she goes and we all, meanwhile, can continue a safe, un-distracted flight deck operation, relaxed in the knowledge that SQ will back us in any situation which might arise.
All gone quiet on this one, so I expect the aircraft commander will be part of the establishment.
Of particular note, however, to all none establishment members (for which, read ex-pat) is the announced situation that SQ is now 240 pilots over strength, due the current SARS induced downturn and that the following 10-point action plan will be implemented in full:
1. SQ will accept voluntary redundancies from contract (ex-pat) pilots but candidates will still have to pay out any training bond in force (preferred, as SQ then does not pay out 90 days salary in lieu of notice and makes on the deal by clawing back cash “spent” on training).
2. Pilots approaching retirement age will be terminated ahead of schedule if on the A310/A340 fleet (already happening).
3. If no voluntary redundancies achieved despite such a generous offer, enforced unpaid leave will be imposed (one week per two months and, nice one this, ex-pat housing allowance will not be paid during this “unproductive” period).
4. If pilots do not accept the above, retrenchments will start forthwith on a “merit” basis.
5. Er, that’s it ………..
So, steady as she goes and we all, meanwhile, can continue a safe, un-distracted flight deck operation, relaxed in the knowledge that SQ will back us in any situation which might arise.
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Yes, agreed, it would be reassuring to know that it wasn't swept under the carpet as obviously it shouldn't have.
dr yes I am reminded of the time when at Kai Tak I listened to ATC's alarmed reaction to one of your countrymen doing a GA from the IGS, from a point before the turn-on to short finals, straight ahead! and then there was the one that was buried up to it's axles in the mud at the end of RW13 etc. etc. not to mention Nairobi! Every airline has it's problems from time to time.
dr yes I am reminded of the time when at Kai Tak I listened to ATC's alarmed reaction to one of your countrymen doing a GA from the IGS, from a point before the turn-on to short finals, straight ahead! and then there was the one that was buried up to it's axles in the mud at the end of RW13 etc. etc. not to mention Nairobi! Every airline has it's problems from time to time.
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See here in SQ every one is in a big ****......the management is trying hard to keep the airline profitable so that the share holders can be paid the dividents on their investment. If this doesn't happen than the top management has to face the wrath of the government because if SQ is not profitable than whole of the island can't be run profitably.
Otherwise it looks absurd that an airline which is able to make such huge profit in 365 days should think of penalising its staff (i.e. Tech and cabin crew) by way of forced no pay leave. The staff certainly is not responsible of this down turn. This SARS disaster is God's creation.....they can't punish god....oops I forgot that the SQ employees are also God's creation (thats why they are being punished)
You may sometime wonder whether here in SQ any one thinks about the employees' low moral.........
the studies have shown that a flight crew is under maximum stress level when he is made to work under the threat of losing his job or spouse..............the SQ at Delhi was lucky that under the circumstances they got away with only the "POD" scrap......
how do you know that what else is there in store for the SQ..........ANY WAY GUYS AT SQ WISH YOU ALL A "A SAFE FLIGHT AND LONG EMPLOYMENT"
