AACS is too Quiet!
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Don't you think that it's funny that all the AACS guys who were so vocal a few mo's ago are silent now! After a few mo's out there online or should I say, sitting on their butts, that no one wants to say a thing about AACS. By the way, the Main Line pilots have no thing to do with it! It seems to be all Atlas Mgmt's fault.
I'd like to know guys! How about it? How is it out there? How many guys do you have now? Are you flying In and out of the U.S. like Mgmnt said you wouldn't be? Or even better are you guys flying point to point in the U.S.? Are you guys flying with Main Line Atlas Pilots, like Mgmnt. said you wouldn't be? How's it going out there guys?
How about it Hyfly? Let me know what you're up to!
P.S. Like any good lawyer, don't ask the question unless you know the answer!
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I'd like to know guys! How about it? How is it out there? How many guys do you have now? Are you flying In and out of the U.S. like Mgmnt said you wouldn't be? Or even better are you guys flying point to point in the U.S.? Are you guys flying with Main Line Atlas Pilots, like Mgmnt. said you wouldn't be? How's it going out there guys?
How about it Hyfly? Let me know what you're up to!
P.S. Like any good lawyer, don't ask the question unless you know the answer!
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In case you haven't noticed, there hasn't been a lot of posting on the Atlas Pilot's site either. In the past, there were 20-30 postings a night, now only a few a week.........so what's up? People given up hope or what?
Has MC gotten the upper hand or, as rumor has it, in financial trouble? How's the atmosphere on the mainline side?
Has MC gotten the upper hand or, as rumor has it, in financial trouble? How's the atmosphere on the mainline side?
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What Atlas site are you talking about? The Alpa Atlas site is alive and well. The other site has been slowly dieing anyway, knowing that MC and company have been given access by some scum on the property. Atlaspilots.org served its purpose well and the WebGuy is to be commended!
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Listen.....MC wants to rule the cargo world and he will....all airlines go through this Union vs. MGT struggle and Atlas is no exception...... MC is just taking a lesson from his pal FS. The Fed Ex pilots folded at the last minute just like the Atlas pilots will. There is nothing new happening here and all you are seeing is history repeating itself.....just calm down, sit tight and buy a ton of stock
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If you wager on the Atlas union caving-in, you're gonna to lose that bet. While Atlas has a stellar bottom line right now, it's business is still subject to economic decline, just like the airlines that it wet-leases to. MC is shrewd, but is letting his huge ego get in the way of smart business.
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Moveit, one quick question.
What makes you so sure that the Atlas Pilots will "fold"?.
The FedEx crewmembers played chicken with Fred Smith and blinked, he threatened to out source all of his flying and succeeded in persuading the crewmembers of that.
Atlas operates 37 747's, between management and the AACS boys (and girls) they could forseeably operate 5 of them until they all started running into time and duty problems, two weeks tops.
Who has the lift to take on the other 32 airframes?, Gemini, World and Polar are all busy with their own flying, AFX is a joke, so who?.
The other difference is Atlas isn't flying it's own freight, it has customers who if they even caught a hint of possible work action would take their freight elsewhere, something MC will NOT let happen.
Course, its all just my opinion......
Cheers, Lak
What makes you so sure that the Atlas Pilots will "fold"?.
The FedEx crewmembers played chicken with Fred Smith and blinked, he threatened to out source all of his flying and succeeded in persuading the crewmembers of that.
Atlas operates 37 747's, between management and the AACS boys (and girls) they could forseeably operate 5 of them until they all started running into time and duty problems, two weeks tops.
Who has the lift to take on the other 32 airframes?, Gemini, World and Polar are all busy with their own flying, AFX is a joke, so who?.
The other difference is Atlas isn't flying it's own freight, it has customers who if they even caught a hint of possible work action would take their freight elsewhere, something MC will NOT let happen.
Course, its all just my opinion......
Cheers, Lak
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Sorry to butt in, not a 5Y person myself. AFX fly (well as best they can) for CLX. Thats coz CLX wanted nothing more to do with 5Y (and maybe v.v).I heard a rumour that 5Y have lost Alitalia, MASKargo about to be cancelled, and how much longer will the UK Govt allow your N495MC to continue with BA?
Just wondering...
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Rumors about cancellation of mainline class dates have been independently verified by several sources, though the company has yet to officially admit or publicly disclose the alleged fact.
AACS hiring for STN is apparently continuing in anticipation of an impending mainline strike. Are the AACS interviewers yet disclosing THAT fact to the interviewees? How many AACS new-hires _really_ want to be strikebreakers? Personally, I don't think many do...
However, this is the first I've heard about AACS hiring for Taiwan. What's the scoop?
AACS hiring for STN is apparently continuing in anticipation of an impending mainline strike. Are the AACS interviewers yet disclosing THAT fact to the interviewees? How many AACS new-hires _really_ want to be strikebreakers? Personally, I don't think many do...
However, this is the first I've heard about AACS hiring for Taiwan. What's the scoop?
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Perhaps you are right LimeyAK, but facts are facts....... MC will begin a furlough of mainline Atlas Pilots soon, my guess is between now and 5 weeks from now....and between 50 and 100 aircrew....... this will be perfect leverage against the other Atlas pilots who cannot get a job with United, NorthWest, American..... to pause and be grateful for their existing jobs and existing conditions.....to accept a low grade contract.
You Former Eastern and Pan Am and Mark Air pilots at Atlas Air who are negotiating for the rest of the Mainline pilots are selling them short and letting your own ego get in the way like MC is.....
Bottom line is that I will be right...... you watch..... Furlough ...... and when that happens.... I will be back and foretell the rest of the Atlas Air future......for it is not the future that I will be telling... its just history repeating itself
You Former Eastern and Pan Am and Mark Air pilots at Atlas Air who are negotiating for the rest of the Mainline pilots are selling them short and letting your own ego get in the way like MC is.....
Bottom line is that I will be right...... you watch..... Furlough ...... and when that happens.... I will be back and foretell the rest of the Atlas Air future......for it is not the future that I will be telling... its just history repeating itself
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What do you think guys. Is "Move It" AAMT management? That'd be my guess. Stirring the pot a little. Either that or he is just some ill informed idiot. Either way he is not worth the time it took to write this.
Rat your facts suck. No talk of cancellation of either of those contracts.
Rat your facts suck. No talk of cancellation of either of those contracts.
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Well guys,I hope it all gets sorted and they give you what you want.A strike is the last thing we need as you guys operate a -400F for us.Never heard about losing MAS or Alitalia though.Also Rat I heard that you guys are about to show AFX the door,is that not true.
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I kind of doubt that AAMT would due the old furlough thing. That would probably get the National Mediator to release us for our 30 day cooling off period for not negotiating in good faith. Secondly, if we are one big happy family like the Atlas Management team says, then they will probably have to furlough according to its own employee handbook which probably puts all of the AACS crowd out first. If it does not happen that way, I see another winning lawsuit coming.
I just found out a couple of hours ago that Atlas is going to be present at the DFW Air, Inc. job fair. I do not know if they are looking for STN people or US guys. Probably US guys since the location is in the states.
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I just found out a couple of hours ago that Atlas is going to be present at the DFW Air, Inc. job fair. I do not know if they are looking for STN people or US guys. Probably US guys since the location is in the states.
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411A - the Tradewind L1011s were parked because Interlease ran out of money - they were simply using TradeWind's AOC. Not sure what they are doing with the A300s, though!
As for who goes first in the event of retrenchments, I'd say that they would be from Mainline rather than AACS as AACS is a separate company, set up for specific tasks. Of course, if the downturn - or cancellation of the BA contract - hits AACS, the converse is that it wouldn't result in Mainline job losses.
Just my 2c worth, anyway.
As for who goes first in the event of retrenchments, I'd say that they would be from Mainline rather than AACS as AACS is a separate company, set up for specific tasks. Of course, if the downturn - or cancellation of the BA contract - hits AACS, the converse is that it wouldn't result in Mainline job losses.
Just my 2c worth, anyway.
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411.
Ignorance is bliss. You and Move_It must be really happy.
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The AACS guys all carry Atlas ID cards, not AACS. I've been telling you for months that this (AACS) was a US company. Atlas management does indeed consider AACS(STN) just another ATLAS base, as you can see from the open invitation for mainline pilots to bid there. I doubt seriously if there will be a furlough. As palerider says, that would result in an immediate 30 day cooling off period, which as you all know is the countdown to a strike. I think when push comes to shove MC will prove himself to be more astute than the Lorenzo clones he has hired.
Ignorance is bliss. You and Move_It must be really happy.
Gov.
The AACS guys all carry Atlas ID cards, not AACS. I've been telling you for months that this (AACS) was a US company. Atlas management does indeed consider AACS(STN) just another ATLAS base, as you can see from the open invitation for mainline pilots to bid there. I doubt seriously if there will be a furlough. As palerider says, that would result in an immediate 30 day cooling off period, which as you all know is the countdown to a strike. I think when push comes to shove MC will prove himself to be more astute than the Lorenzo clones he has hired.
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Actually, I was refering to the A300B4 FREIGHTERS that they have parked since January 05. The TriStar pax aircraft have been parked for sometime. The cargo business declined in the USA by over 5% last year, but international increased by more than 15%. The question is, will Atlas be able to keep up their present business let alone expand. If the domestic cargo curve goes flat for an extended period then it will be "goodbye" to any effective collective agreement at Atlas. Of course, some here will bury their heads in the sand and believe the ah...."lies" that ALPA will feed them. I'm in management so I know how the management types think.
Actually, I was refering to the A300B4 FREIGHTERS that they have parked since January 05. The TriStar pax aircraft have been parked for sometime. The cargo business declined in the USA by over 5% last year, but international increased by more than 15%. The question is, will Atlas be able to keep up their present business let alone expand. If the domestic cargo curve goes flat for an extended period then it will be "goodbye" to any effective collective agreement at Atlas. Of course, some here will bury their heads in the sand and believe the ah...."lies" that ALPA will feed them. I'm in management so I know how the management types think.