AACS is too Quiet!
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And all these nice gentlemen who were so outraged about 'scabs', 'union busting', and so on and so on are flying for LH today, as the (unionized) LH pilots are on strike. Not that I support the outreagous pay demands of VC Cockpit, but what the nice gentlemen from 5Y are doing, isn't that the classical UNION BUSTING thing?
You're real SCABS! (By your own definition!!!)
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There's nothing like a three-holer...
You're real SCABS! (By your own definition!!!)
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There's nothing like a three-holer...
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Hunter58
Please excuse me, as I understand it LH pilots have voted for a strike.
They are not presently striking.
When they are striking, or plan to, all they have to do is have their union contact ALPA either directly or via IFALPA and request mutual assistance. We can't assist without a request. And because Atlas pilots don't presently have a contract we would risk job action (dismissal) for refusing a flight.
If you call us scabs, what about the other Star Alliance partners that may carry re-booked passengers?
Please excuse me, as I understand it LH pilots have voted for a strike.
They are not presently striking.
When they are striking, or plan to, all they have to do is have their union contact ALPA either directly or via IFALPA and request mutual assistance. We can't assist without a request. And because Atlas pilots don't presently have a contract we would risk job action (dismissal) for refusing a flight.
If you call us scabs, what about the other Star Alliance partners that may carry re-booked passengers?
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H58
One of the little things you have overlooked is the fact that AACS is flying Atlas planes. 5Y pilots are not flying LH planes. VC hasn't yet contacted IFALPA or ALPA. Without a request from them we can do nothing even if we had a contract, which we don't. Not having a contract means we have no protection, which means we can't do anything that the company doesn't agree to. For us to support VC at this juncture means we would have get permission from the company. At this stage of our negotiations I don't think that would happen. They can barely stand to talk to us now, even when they are forced to by the mediator.
One of the little things you have overlooked is the fact that AACS is flying Atlas planes. 5Y pilots are not flying LH planes. VC hasn't yet contacted IFALPA or ALPA. Without a request from them we can do nothing even if we had a contract, which we don't. Not having a contract means we have no protection, which means we can't do anything that the company doesn't agree to. For us to support VC at this juncture means we would have get permission from the company. At this stage of our negotiations I don't think that would happen. They can barely stand to talk to us now, even when they are forced to by the mediator.
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Hey,
Hunter, Can I ask you a question, and I'm dead serious when I ask this, do you think that someone who flys during a strike should be in fear of there own safety?
If so, there is no way I'm going to fly into a potentially dangerous situation! No way! I don't care what the company tells me to do, no way am I going to jepardize my own safety.
Get my drift? I'm not flying anywhere near CV!
I hope that all my fellow pilots wouldn't put them self in a dangerous situation either!
Hunter, Can I ask you a question, and I'm dead serious when I ask this, do you think that someone who flys during a strike should be in fear of there own safety?
If so, there is no way I'm going to fly into a potentially dangerous situation! No way! I don't care what the company tells me to do, no way am I going to jepardize my own safety.
Get my drift? I'm not flying anywhere near CV!
I hope that all my fellow pilots wouldn't put them self in a dangerous situation either!
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Heavywhale
no worry. European unions are usually not so agressive as US ones. That was so in the wild 50s and 60s, but they stopped that socialistic tradition of picket lines. And they understand that you are going to get fired if you fly, so they let you fly, as it is not your fault that you are the person who is scheduled for this trip, but the crew scheduler's. But they will vivdly remember the company who did it. ANd the next time an Atlas air guy walks into LH, there will be a lot of mental resistance. Basically, LH does already not like Atlas, so any new flying is getting harder and harder to get, as pilot resistance within LH will raise and raise. Europeans do things much more subtle. Why use brute force when you can get better results by using the brains in the long term!
Beaver
what an excuse! You just proved my point. See the freight hogs forum!!!
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no worry. European unions are usually not so agressive as US ones. That was so in the wild 50s and 60s, but they stopped that socialistic tradition of picket lines. And they understand that you are going to get fired if you fly, so they let you fly, as it is not your fault that you are the person who is scheduled for this trip, but the crew scheduler's. But they will vivdly remember the company who did it. ANd the next time an Atlas air guy walks into LH, there will be a lot of mental resistance. Basically, LH does already not like Atlas, so any new flying is getting harder and harder to get, as pilot resistance within LH will raise and raise. Europeans do things much more subtle. Why use brute force when you can get better results by using the brains in the long term!
Beaver
what an excuse! You just proved my point. See the freight hogs forum!!!
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This is the nastiest fight aviation has ever sceen, and we're right in the middle of it! If they think that this will break us, they have totally underestimated us.
I feel like Slim Pickens riding the nuke in!
All I have to say is, "yyyeee hhhaaaww!!!!"
I feel like Slim Pickens riding the nuke in!
All I have to say is, "yyyeee hhhaaaww!!!!"
