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Old 12th Mar 2003, 18:59
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Talking easyBuses are coming!

Wed 12 Mar 2003

easyJet investors back Airbus purchase

easyJet said Wednesday its shareholders have approved the airline’s purchase of 120 Airbus A319 aircraft and options to buy 120 more.
The total list price of the 120 new aircraft would be about $5.3bn, but easyJet said it has been granted very substantial price concessions by Airbus and engine manufacturers General Electric and Snecma.
The deal makes easyJet the first European budget carrier to operate a mixed fleet. To date it has only used Boeing 737 aircraft in a bid to keep costs down, but the airline estimates the Airbuses will help it achieve 30% savings, including operating costs.
The single-aisle aircraft will be fitted with 150 seats, compared with 149 on Boeing’s 737-700s. They are due for delivery over five years from September 2003.



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Old 12th Mar 2003, 21:52
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Airbus should make the most of this because they won't sell much in the USA for quite a while.
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Old 12th Mar 2003, 22:07
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You say the 319 will have 150 seats. Are you sure? If this is true they will have to have 4 crew compared to 3 with 149 seats. Seems very expensive for just one extra seat.
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Think you're wrong qwerty,I'm fairly sure the rules are 1 cabin crew for each 50 seats.
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Well the punters may have voted for it but the share prices don't reflect their optimism - below 1.80 this morning. Maybe it's Tony's war...
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Remains to be seen whether all these Airbuses will actually enter passenger service on schedule - I've heard that they want to introduce 11 aircraft in four weeks later this year.

Rumour has it that the Chief Training Captain has stood down over this specific issue - he thinks it's an impossible task, and given the current crewing, rostering and operational problems, I see trouble ahead........
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will ANYONE be selling much in the USA in the near future?
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Proof is in the eating.
You wont be able to do 25min turnrounds for starters.
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Max having spoken with the CTC on this subject your rumour is wrong.
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You wont be able to do 25min turnrounds for starters.
Can someone please expand upon this ? Why not ? A genuine enquiry -- I'm not being sarchastic.
 
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Question DBA - purchase

Was there any information about the DBA - purchase? The decision was to be made public within this month.
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<<You wont be able to do 25min turnrounds for starters>>

Exactly where is the Airbus different so that these are not achievable?

Having just converted onto the 319, even in training we were easily doing ~35 min turnarounds with time to spare - and that's as a Nigel. So no problem on the Flt Deck - and I can't see the cabin being any different from a Boeing?

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25mins turnround was mainly directed towards Luton .
Where we havent achieved a consistant 25min with the b737 with the benefit of Forward steps.
The Airbus will be even worse without its own front steps and not enough staff to place them.
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Well I spoke to him last week - that's what he told me!

This reason was also given on the Company Balpa forum, so please tell us what he told you, has he changed mind about why he's stood down?
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I thought the easyJet spec for the A319 was with forward airstairs. Turnarounds should be the same or better is the theory. Although baggage is harder to load due to a higher door the pax aisle is wider which allows faster boarding. Pax boarding is usually the time critical path.

I think there will be 152 seats as well. Presumably they won't ever sell the last 2.

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So they won't even be available for Staff Travel???!!!
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Also just heard that all the GVA pilots will be at Toulouse doing their Airbus ratings in Aug-Sept - so where is the spare capacity to operate TopSwiss?

And what's this I hear about MK's desire to "align" Training Captains' pay?
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Aah Max,

I also heard that we're all off to Switzerland for the Summer, whilst the Cuckoo Clock Makers are all off in France.

That is, to be precise,aircraft, pilots and cabin crew, as we cannot fly or make tea in their HB registered 737 beasties. Since the NMC are having immense difficulty in running the program at present, robbing (or more like mugging) Peter to pay Paul on a daily basis, just how are we going to do it?

Before some smart @rse says that it won't cause any disruption, just think about the facts, and the fact that all of their crews will have to be trained ASAP.

It is no use sending a couple of bods off to be rated at a time, as when the Buses turn up, everyone will need to be able to fly 'em.
How many are they getting, 5 or 6 to start off with- 5 or so crews a Bus, thats 30 Skippers and 30 FO's that all need to be processed.

Oh yes, I'm looking forward to Summer! What fun its going to be!

No wonder the CTC has waived the White Flag , having declared it unworkable, and quite rightly does not want to have his (excellent) name attached to it.
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There will be a planned minimum of 20 new pilots coming to the B737 fleet per month for the next 12 months at least , this to meet the requirement, and you're correct - the support for the EZS fleet obviously needs to come from EZY. On the other issue, don't know.

Re CTC, as its a personal thing for him and I don't think it needs discussed anymore.

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A320 and A321 suffer from a tailtipping issue.If during a turnaround there is too much weight at the rear.You cannot board and disembark simultaneously.Also the baggage takes a while to load.I cant really see that a 25 min turnaround is realistic on an airbus,although in other ways it is a good aircraft for a lca.
 

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