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Tripower455
Perhaps I should explain why I play devils advocate on this one.
I have lived with terrorism in the past, if someone had not nicked the spot I was trying to park in I would have arrived at Harrods 2-3 mins earlier and I would not now be typing this. Having people run past you covered in blood sticks in your mind. Six months after that I finished a quote in Ireland quicker than I thought I would, meaning I could go to the pub and an hour later the bomb went off making the quote pointless as the building didn't exist anymore.
I now live in a much safer environment and welcome anything which keeps it that way. Best we seek flaws in the argument here than find out to our peril in real life. Your points seem well founded so good luck in your campaign and I will stop trying to find holes in your argument.
Perhaps I should explain why I play devils advocate on this one.
I have lived with terrorism in the past, if someone had not nicked the spot I was trying to park in I would have arrived at Harrods 2-3 mins earlier and I would not now be typing this. Having people run past you covered in blood sticks in your mind. Six months after that I finished a quote in Ireland quicker than I thought I would, meaning I could go to the pub and an hour later the bomb went off making the quote pointless as the building didn't exist anymore.
I now live in a much safer environment and welcome anything which keeps it that way. Best we seek flaws in the argument here than find out to our peril in real life. Your points seem well founded so good luck in your campaign and I will stop trying to find holes in your argument.
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[quote]Tripower455. .Perhaps I should explain why I play devils advocate on this one.
I have lived with terrorism in the past, if someone had not nicked the spot I was trying to park in I would have arrived at Harrods 2-3 mins earlier and I would not now be typing this. Having people run past you covered in blood sticks in your mind. Six months after that I finished a quote in Ireland quicker than I thought I would, meaning I could go to the pub and an hour later the bomb went off making the quote pointless as the building didn't exist anymore. I now live in a much safer environment and welcome anything which keeps it that way.<hr></blockquote>
No offense, but that statement appears to me to say "There have been acts of terrorism inflicted on the US. We must do SOMETHING, even if what we do has absolutely NO EFFECT on situation that we want to prevent".
Since I spend approximately 80 hours a month in the left seat of an airliner, I have a vested interest in tighter security. I have a wife, 2 kids and a golden retriever that I love more than anything, and want to come home to. Since 9/11, I have seen very little substance, and lots of eyewash on the subject of security, and frankly, it concerns me.
Pilots have been cited and even arrested for improper display of ID (under their outermost garment). They've been arrested for making factual (although admittedly UNWISE) statements at center stage of the security show. Checked bags aren't being screened. We have "scare crows stationed at the checkpoints. We have 8 year olds and octagenarians being strip searched at the gates, yet, we aren't allowed to do it to anyone with skin darker than the color of fresh snow. We are no longer allowed to carry innocous items in our luggage. Flight attendants are being molested for no other reason than the screener had to "randomly select" someone to feel up, in the name of security. All other employee groups BUT pilots and flight attendants walk right throught the back door, and many have adopted the same "no pilot is above the "security" measures" attitude. I myself have been threatened with arrest by a fellow employee (ground ops guy AT MY BASE, WHO KNOWS ME), for "improper display of my ID", and I never left the jetway! (It's a long story, and I won't bore you with the details but I had just walked off a jet that I had flown for 5 legs, that he saw me park at the gate then handed ME the post flight paperwork!). Are we children?
Does any of this make ME and by extension, my passengers and crew, any safer?
[quote] Best we seek flaws in the argument here than find out to our peril in real life. <hr></blockquote>
I totally agree with that!
[quote]Your points seem well founded so good luck in your campaign and I will stop trying to find holes in your argument. <hr></blockquote>
Actually, honest debate is healthy, and your opinions are appreciated. I realize that, being a pilot, I am ALWAYS right, but you never know! <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
I am tired of being treated like a criminal every time I go to work.
I have lived with terrorism in the past, if someone had not nicked the spot I was trying to park in I would have arrived at Harrods 2-3 mins earlier and I would not now be typing this. Having people run past you covered in blood sticks in your mind. Six months after that I finished a quote in Ireland quicker than I thought I would, meaning I could go to the pub and an hour later the bomb went off making the quote pointless as the building didn't exist anymore. I now live in a much safer environment and welcome anything which keeps it that way.<hr></blockquote>
No offense, but that statement appears to me to say "There have been acts of terrorism inflicted on the US. We must do SOMETHING, even if what we do has absolutely NO EFFECT on situation that we want to prevent".
Since I spend approximately 80 hours a month in the left seat of an airliner, I have a vested interest in tighter security. I have a wife, 2 kids and a golden retriever that I love more than anything, and want to come home to. Since 9/11, I have seen very little substance, and lots of eyewash on the subject of security, and frankly, it concerns me.
Pilots have been cited and even arrested for improper display of ID (under their outermost garment). They've been arrested for making factual (although admittedly UNWISE) statements at center stage of the security show. Checked bags aren't being screened. We have "scare crows stationed at the checkpoints. We have 8 year olds and octagenarians being strip searched at the gates, yet, we aren't allowed to do it to anyone with skin darker than the color of fresh snow. We are no longer allowed to carry innocous items in our luggage. Flight attendants are being molested for no other reason than the screener had to "randomly select" someone to feel up, in the name of security. All other employee groups BUT pilots and flight attendants walk right throught the back door, and many have adopted the same "no pilot is above the "security" measures" attitude. I myself have been threatened with arrest by a fellow employee (ground ops guy AT MY BASE, WHO KNOWS ME), for "improper display of my ID", and I never left the jetway! (It's a long story, and I won't bore you with the details but I had just walked off a jet that I had flown for 5 legs, that he saw me park at the gate then handed ME the post flight paperwork!). Are we children?
Does any of this make ME and by extension, my passengers and crew, any safer?
[quote] Best we seek flaws in the argument here than find out to our peril in real life. <hr></blockquote>
I totally agree with that!
[quote]Your points seem well founded so good luck in your campaign and I will stop trying to find holes in your argument. <hr></blockquote>
Actually, honest debate is healthy, and your opinions are appreciated. I realize that, being a pilot, I am ALWAYS right, but you never know! <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
I am tired of being treated like a criminal every time I go to work.
