EASYJET to scrap 6-on 3-off roster?
EASYJET to scrap 6-on 3-off roster?
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Anything you hear that is BAD NEWS for Easy pilots is probably true!
In fact it is often seven on two off but apparently even that isn't flexible enough for them.
Ryanair are looking more attractive all the time!
In fact it is often seven on two off but apparently even that isn't flexible enough for them.
Ryanair are looking more attractive all the time!
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Puzzle me this....
To the best of my knowledge it is true. And to cap it all off that temptress of the rostering world, the smouldering CARMEN, is to return to titillate us for next years summer schedule!
Enjoy the winter, this is good...
To the best of my knowledge it is true. And to cap it all off that temptress of the rostering world, the smouldering CARMEN, is to return to titillate us for next years summer schedule!
Enjoy the winter, this is good...
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Not strictly true "as i understand it".
The cabin crew were balloted some time ago as to whether they were happy with their 6 on, 3 off roster. The wording was very much highlighting the bad points - flexi days, only 4 requested days off etc and paid little heed to possible good points. Just as they planned, the cabin crew voted to go back to the old system.
The management are now keen to test the water with the pilots....watch this space.
The cabin crew were balloted some time ago as to whether they were happy with their 6 on, 3 off roster. The wording was very much highlighting the bad points - flexi days, only 4 requested days off etc and paid little heed to possible good points. Just as they planned, the cabin crew voted to go back to the old system.
The management are now keen to test the water with the pilots....watch this space.
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Having been at easy for just about a year now, I can honestly say that one of the best things about it is the 6 on 3 off roster!
What a breath of fresh air being able to plan things around my days off 6 months in advance - never able to do that in charter flying.
If the system is binned then easy loses an awful lot of its attraction and for what gain to rostering?
What a breath of fresh air being able to plan things around my days off 6 months in advance - never able to do that in charter flying.
If the system is binned then easy loses an awful lot of its attraction and for what gain to rostering?
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Heard of linebidding?
Soutwest airlines has min 14 days off every month and they still fly on the average over 80 block hrs. The best lines are 20 days off a month.
Same goes with most US carriers .
I have flown on both sides and the schedules stinks over here i Europe.
How do you do it? The management contols the amount of aircraft and pilots , and the pilots contol the schedule.
I heard that SAS is going for it!
So there you go fellow skylickers . Vote for linebidding!
Soutwest airlines has min 14 days off every month and they still fly on the average over 80 block hrs. The best lines are 20 days off a month.
Same goes with most US carriers .
I have flown on both sides and the schedules stinks over here i Europe.
How do you do it? The management contols the amount of aircraft and pilots , and the pilots contol the schedule.
I heard that SAS is going for it!
So there you go fellow skylickers . Vote for linebidding!
short flights long nights
What about 4 on 3 off, now we are talking
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Atlantic Coast;
Couple of problems over here.
1. Different FTL scheme.
2. Pilots will not join the Union as it won't do anything for them - therefore a self fulfiling prophecy. Also prefer to saver a few union dues rather than benefit from improved T's and C's.
3. Management that thinks only in the short term. I.e. lets build a great airline this week, then take the money and run. I can't see RDW (easyJet CEO) here when most of the others are still working out their bonds.
4,5,6 etc.
Couple of problems over here.
1. Different FTL scheme.
2. Pilots will not join the Union as it won't do anything for them - therefore a self fulfiling prophecy. Also prefer to saver a few union dues rather than benefit from improved T's and C's.
3. Management that thinks only in the short term. I.e. lets build a great airline this week, then take the money and run. I can't see RDW (easyJet CEO) here when most of the others are still working out their bonds.
4,5,6 etc.
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Go system works really well. None of these taxi drives you guys seem to be doing and no sectors followed by airport standby. What the hell is that about. Lets go home and see the family for gods sake. We must keep the 2 ROFF days a month which fixes all last minute problems and preserves the summer leave from using for weddings/parties etc. We work hard but better to run out of flying hours than duty hours any day!!
Crewing help me so I'm always ready to help crewing!!
6 on 3 off to rigid for me.
Crewing help me so I'm always ready to help crewing!!
6 on 3 off to rigid for me.
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DAYS IN YEAR LEAVE AVAILABLE DAYS NO. OF BLOCKS WORKING DAYS FLYING HRS PER DAY 850 PER YR
5 & 3
364 30 334 41.75 208.75 4.07
6 & 3
364 30 334 37.11 222.67 3.82
4 & 4
364 30 334 41.75 167.00 5.09
5&3 VERSES 6&3 EQUALS 13.92 EXTRA DAYS OFF PER YEAR
WITH 13 28 DAY ROSTERS IN YEAR EQUIVALENT TO APPROX. 1 EXTRA DAY OFF PER ROSTER
I'm not sure how the figures above will be displayed on Pprune but the sums show that 5&3 verses 6&3 results in just 14 extra days off a year, or approx. one per roster.Therefore to achieve 850 flying hours a year would require just 15 mins extra per day, just 3 times round the hold! or one extra sector to EDI every 5 days.
I've worked a 6&3 roster and although 3 days off generally gives a steely blade time to recover, I found that working 6 on all the time causes fatigue in the long term.
Therefore 5&3 would get my vote, it would still provide the roster stability that people seem to value in Easyjet and deliver an environment where tiredness/fatigue would hopefully be reduced such that we would also achieve a better quality of life.
The Southwest/American models sound even better of course........did I just see a pig on finals!!!!
Take care
5 & 3
364 30 334 41.75 208.75 4.07
6 & 3
364 30 334 37.11 222.67 3.82
4 & 4
364 30 334 41.75 167.00 5.09
5&3 VERSES 6&3 EQUALS 13.92 EXTRA DAYS OFF PER YEAR
WITH 13 28 DAY ROSTERS IN YEAR EQUIVALENT TO APPROX. 1 EXTRA DAY OFF PER ROSTER
I'm not sure how the figures above will be displayed on Pprune but the sums show that 5&3 verses 6&3 results in just 14 extra days off a year, or approx. one per roster.Therefore to achieve 850 flying hours a year would require just 15 mins extra per day, just 3 times round the hold! or one extra sector to EDI every 5 days.
I've worked a 6&3 roster and although 3 days off generally gives a steely blade time to recover, I found that working 6 on all the time causes fatigue in the long term.
Therefore 5&3 would get my vote, it would still provide the roster stability that people seem to value in Easyjet and deliver an environment where tiredness/fatigue would hopefully be reduced such that we would also achieve a better quality of life.
The Southwest/American models sound even better of course........did I just see a pig on finals!!!!
Take care
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I work for the opposition, Ryanair.
We do the 5 on 3 off roster and its great, and believe me we still fly the max hours each year.
I know at the end of day 5 I am tired , I wouldnt lke to do the sixth day each week.
We do the 5 on 3 off roster and its great, and believe me we still fly the max hours each year.
I know at the end of day 5 I am tired , I wouldnt lke to do the sixth day each week.
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I think there will be quite a few people working for the opposition soon!!
Anyway, on the subject of rosters I think that the principal of this 6 on 3 off was great but it has been twisted by the company so most of the time you end up doing 7 on 2 off!
6 on 3 off (i mean 7 on 2 off) is just too tiring the way that we're flying 5 on 3 off would do it or better 6 on 4 off but just like the pay review I think that we're day dreaming!!
When easy bought GO the managment promised us that they were going to bring in the best of both worlds so please no more broken promises and bring the chap from Go.
Anyway, on the subject of rosters I think that the principal of this 6 on 3 off was great but it has been twisted by the company so most of the time you end up doing 7 on 2 off!
6 on 3 off (i mean 7 on 2 off) is just too tiring the way that we're flying 5 on 3 off would do it or better 6 on 4 off but just like the pay review I think that we're day dreaming!!
When easy bought GO the managment promised us that they were going to bring in the best of both worlds so please no more broken promises and bring the chap from Go.
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I thought it had already been announced that the 'chap from GO' had got the job as Rostering Manager and would be taking up his post early in the new year.
I am as peed off as anyone about
a. The delay in resolving the pay review.
b. The complete lack of info about the discussions that have already taken place.
c. The incessant rumour mongering from all sides.
d. The apparent blocking of the realease of info by management.
This latest rumour, and that's what it is as far as I can tell, about changes to the 6/3 (7/2?) system is adding fuel to the fire.
Is the 'leaking' of this info (whether true or false) a deliberate act by someone wth a hidden agenda somwhere? Is this 'proposal' now part of the current negotiations? How can any of us, but particularly those with families, attempt to arrange a family holiday if we do not know the intended working pattern for next year?
Surely this cannot drag on for much longer now but, until some sort of announcement is made, can we at least try to limit the talk to fact rather than unattributable rumour?
I thought it had already been announced that the 'chap from GO' had got the job as Rostering Manager and would be taking up his post early in the new year.
I am as peed off as anyone about
a. The delay in resolving the pay review.
b. The complete lack of info about the discussions that have already taken place.
c. The incessant rumour mongering from all sides.
d. The apparent blocking of the realease of info by management.
This latest rumour, and that's what it is as far as I can tell, about changes to the 6/3 (7/2?) system is adding fuel to the fire.
Is the 'leaking' of this info (whether true or false) a deliberate act by someone wth a hidden agenda somwhere? Is this 'proposal' now part of the current negotiations? How can any of us, but particularly those with families, attempt to arrange a family holiday if we do not know the intended working pattern for next year?
Surely this cannot drag on for much longer now but, until some sort of announcement is made, can we at least try to limit the talk to fact rather than unattributable rumour?
