Security & Fire Strike at UK airports
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I'm really fed up with people going on strike because they are not clever enough to have secured a higher earning job.
The responsibility that goes with the job is no less than someone sitting at the front of a 747. They have a 'duty of care'.
Should you ever have the misfortune to be involved in an aircraft accident would you rather wait for someone with a degree to come and help you or would you be willing to lower yourself to be rescued by someone that's prepared to risk their own life to save yours?
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JET,
BAA is still making profits, you are correct, and profits normally accrue to the providers of capital, ie shareholders.
I agree BTW that a lot of executives are overpaid as well.
Gusty
BAA is still making profits, you are correct, and profits normally accrue to the providers of capital, ie shareholders.
I agree BTW that a lot of executives are overpaid as well.
Gusty
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GustyOrange,I feel your posting was a little arrogant stating it's peoples own fault they can't find a better paid job.
Not all people have been given the fortune of a private education,
perhaps even received a poor state education due to the standards of that school or even they were not born as a gifted
intellectual.
In no way should this take away their right to a better pay and maintain their standard of living.
I for one have the greatest respect for the job the airport firefighters do and who may some day save my backside.
As for security I rely on their vigilance to stop more idiots getting on planes intending to cause harm to passengers,crew and anyone else who gets in their way.
NJR.
Not all people have been given the fortune of a private education,
perhaps even received a poor state education due to the standards of that school or even they were not born as a gifted
intellectual.
In no way should this take away their right to a better pay and maintain their standard of living.
I for one have the greatest respect for the job the airport firefighters do and who may some day save my backside.
As for security I rely on their vigilance to stop more idiots getting on planes intending to cause harm to passengers,crew and anyone else who gets in their way.
NJR.
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I'm not actually a Fire Fighter myself but I do work closely with them and know several who work for BAA.
They are all a dedicated bunch of Professionals that deserve a bit more respect. As I've said there is a chance that every here might need them one day.
I'm not actually a Fire Fighter myself but I do work closely with them and know several who work for BAA.
They are all a dedicated bunch of Professionals that deserve a bit more respect. As I've said there is a chance that every here might need them one day.
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How do airports stand licencing wise with domestic firefighters on strike??
Accepted the airport RFF category is based on the airfield fire service, but each airport itself holds a CAA licence for operation.
Part of that CAA licencing is the airports emergency plan. Every UK airport I know of includes the local fire services as an integral part of the emergency plan. i.e. they are called as support units in the case of a pre meditated emergency occuring.
Surely airports will not be complying with the terms of their own emergency plans whilst domestic firefighters are on strike, and hence not complying with the terms of their CAA issued licence.
Anyone any better informed on this subject than I who can shed any better light upon it?
30W
Accepted the airport RFF category is based on the airfield fire service, but each airport itself holds a CAA licence for operation.
Part of that CAA licencing is the airports emergency plan. Every UK airport I know of includes the local fire services as an integral part of the emergency plan. i.e. they are called as support units in the case of a pre meditated emergency occuring.
Surely airports will not be complying with the terms of their own emergency plans whilst domestic firefighters are on strike, and hence not complying with the terms of their CAA issued licence.
Anyone any better informed on this subject than I who can shed any better light upon it?
30W
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NJR,
It wasn't intended to come across as an arrogant posting.
I merely intended to state my opinion on the subject.
I think that if anyone is unhappy in their current position they should leave and find a position that they are happy with.
People knew the terms and conditions on offer when they started working in their current position, I'll bet that for most guys their t & c haven't deteriorated that much over the last few years.
CS,
Please refrain from personal abuse. It's not clever, nor is your username.
Gusty
It wasn't intended to come across as an arrogant posting.
I merely intended to state my opinion on the subject.
I think that if anyone is unhappy in their current position they should leave and find a position that they are happy with.
People knew the terms and conditions on offer when they started working in their current position, I'll bet that for most guys their t & c haven't deteriorated that much over the last few years.
CS,
Please refrain from personal abuse. It's not clever, nor is your username.
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I think you are missing the point. As a result of new legislation their job is changing in various ways with greater responsibility and far greater training requirements.
A Captain on a 747 would expect more pay than a Captain on a F50 for instance. If your job requires you to do more then you would expect more money. Quite simple. However, the BAA Firefighters main argument isn't so much the amount they're paid more the fact that their annual pay increase fails to take into account the increase in cost of living.
Only Pi*s poor Management would give themselves an increase of 5-6+% and then claim there isn't the money to give the workers any extra.
Sure you and others will be inconvenienced, but isn't that the idea of strikes - to get their point across and known to the public?
A Captain on a 747 would expect more pay than a Captain on a F50 for instance. If your job requires you to do more then you would expect more money. Quite simple. However, the BAA Firefighters main argument isn't so much the amount they're paid more the fact that their annual pay increase fails to take into account the increase in cost of living.
Only Pi*s poor Management would give themselves an increase of 5-6+% and then claim there isn't the money to give the workers any extra.
Sure you and others will be inconvenienced, but isn't that the idea of strikes - to get their point across and known to the public?
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I think that if anyone is unhappy in their current position they should leave and find a position that they are happy with.
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SRSW,
The cost of living increased by 2.1% over the last year.
BAA's offer constitutes an increase of 6.3% over 2 years.
This is obviously an increase higher than inflation has been recently, and given the possibility that we could be on the verge of global deflation (IMHO) not too bad a deal.
Given the above I would have to disagree with your assertion that these guys are fighting a degradation in their income relative to the cost of living.
If you feel that I am wrong on any of this please point out where.
Gusty
The cost of living increased by 2.1% over the last year.
BAA's offer constitutes an increase of 6.3% over 2 years.
This is obviously an increase higher than inflation has been recently, and given the possibility that we could be on the verge of global deflation (IMHO) not too bad a deal.
Given the above I would have to disagree with your assertion that these guys are fighting a degradation in their income relative to the cost of living.
If you feel that I am wrong on any of this please point out where.
Gusty
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Hmm,
I think the point is not the value as much as the disparity of the award. If the management feel that they are worth - say 5%, why do they think the workers who deliver the service to the customer are not?
if it is a case of money e.g. 1.7% of a £n Million wage bill is bigger then 5% of a £n/10 Million wage bill then come out and say it. Then start exploring alternatives.
Then justify why the managers should get a 5% pay rise - (they'd otherwise leave to a higher paid job )
Then take deep breath and wonder how your work force is going to react when you deliver the message ..........
Finally DUCK!
Quack
I think the point is not the value as much as the disparity of the award. If the management feel that they are worth - say 5%, why do they think the workers who deliver the service to the customer are not?
if it is a case of money e.g. 1.7% of a £n Million wage bill is bigger then 5% of a £n/10 Million wage bill then come out and say it. Then start exploring alternatives.
Then justify why the managers should get a 5% pay rise - (they'd otherwise leave to a higher paid job
)Then take deep breath and wonder how your work force is going to react when you deliver the message ..........
Finally DUCK!
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Does this mean that EGCC is going to get hammered with
diverts and if so, my hearts go out to all at EGCC who are
going to have to accommodate extra planes and find them
even more remote stands to put them on.
Remember, when you get into EGCC,
you wont get out with out a refuel like all the other diverts.
diverts and if so, my hearts go out to all at EGCC who are
going to have to accommodate extra planes and find them
even more remote stands to put them on.
Remember, when you get into EGCC,
you wont get out with out a refuel like all the other diverts.
