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Old 6th Nov 2002, 08:38
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Luxair aircaft down?

Have just heard that a Luxair aircraft has had an accident close to the airfield in Luxembourg. Anyone know anything?

Flight was inbound from Berlin, Fokker 50.

Reports say the aircraft has come down in fields close to Niederanven. 19 onboard plus 3 crew. No reports of casualties as yet.

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Crash Luxembourg

Fokker 50 crashed on approach 24 into LUX, near Niederanven. LUX airport closed.

Newsreports claim aircraft that crashed was LG flt from Berlin, having 17 on board, no news on crew or passengers yet.
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According to Reuters 19 Pax on board, at least 10 fatalities. Luxair flight from Berlin to Luxembourg. No further information at the moment
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Closed my previous. Salient points were;
LG9642 Berlin-Lux and weather;

ELLX 060720Z 16003KT 130V210 0100 R24/0275N FG BKN001 04/04 Q1024
NOSIG

RVR 150m if I remember correctly from the 0850Z atis.
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Latest report is that the Captain has survived but sadly the First Officer and a number of passengers have not.

Thoughts and sympathies to all involved.

From the Reuters website:

LUXEMBOURG (Reuters) - A Luxair plane on a flight from Berlin has crashed in thick fog near Luxembourg airport, killing at least 10 people, according to a Luxembourg government.
Spokesman Guy Schuller said the twin-engine Fokker 50 plane carrying 19 passengers and three crew members crashed five km (three miles) from the Grand Duchy's international airport.

"Of the 19 passengers, there are reported to be seven or eight survivors," Schuller told Reuters on Wednesday.

The condition of the survivors was not immediately known.

The plane, on a scheduled flight from Berlin-Tempelhof airport, was making its final approach at around 10.15 a.m. (9:15 a.m. British time) when the crash occurred, officials said.

A spokesman for Belgium's defence ministry said Brussels had sent three helicopters to the site of the accident and put a military hospital on alert after neighbouring Luxembourg requested help.

Luxair said the plane had been in service since 1991.

"Luxair deeply regrets having to confirm that flight LG9642/LH2420 coming from Berlin-Tempelhof to Luxembourg was involved this morning in an accident at Niederanven," the airline said in a statement.

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Last report is at least 16 dead.

Click Here - BBC News
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Just got the news from CNN on TV. 13 killed including crew but 6 pax survived. a/c presumably crashed in thick fog.

BBC says there are 22 on board and 16 of them were killed.

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I'm watching it right now on Sky News.

So far, 17 people have lost their lives. Very sad.

My condolences to the family of the deceased.
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Lux Govt just confirmed 16 out of 22 on board did not survive. They mentioned crash site as 6nm from airport.

LX-LGB Fokker 50 (c/n 20221)


Found this link in Luxembourgish

RTL.LU

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very sad

sorry, in German

Tote bei Fokker-Absturz Lininenmaschine der Luxair kam aus Berlin und hatte 22 Menschen an Bord

(rar, 12.30 Uhr) - Eine Fokker 50 der Luxair ist am Mittwoch morgen kurz nach 10 Uhr zwischen Niederanven und Roodt-Syr abgestürzt. Die Linienmaschine der Luxair hatte 19 Passagiere und drei Besatzungsmitglieder an Bord. Nach Polizeiangaben gibt es Tote. Das Flugzeug kam aus Berlin und befand sich im Landeanflug auf den Flughafen Findel. Warum die Maschine abstürzte, ist noch unklar. Zur Unglückszeit herrschte dichter Nebel um die Hauptstadt. Starke Rettungsmannschaften von Protection Civile, Feuerwehr und Polzei sind am Unglücksort im Einsatz. Nach ersten Berichten von Unglücksort ist die Maschine fast vollständig zerstört worden, das Cockpit sei jedoch intakt geblieben. Es gebe Rauch, jedoch kein Feuer. Die Luxair-Direktion will um 12 Uhr über das Unglück und den Stand der Rettungsaktion informieren.
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Sincere condolences to all concerned.
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If you look at the pictures, it seems the propeller is not very damaged. Could this mean that it wasn't turning at the impact (shut down or failed, contributing to the accident?) Speculating, I know... Does anybody know what may have caused the crash?
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Does anyone know the nationality of the crew?
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It is being reported that one of the flight crew is the son of the Luxair Chief Pilot.
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The Captain of the F50 was apparently the son of the Luxair CP.
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A friend of mine was landing just before them. The WX was RVR24: 250m and they had contact with the RWY at the 50' minimums for the Saab 2000. According him the last transmissions were:

LG9642: We are established on ILS 24
ATC: Ok you're n°2 continue APP, latest RVR 250m.
LG9642: We need 300m for LDG...

About 1 minute later:

ATC: LG9642, you're clear to land 24.

That was not aknowledged by LG 9642 and afterwards the TWR call them several times without succes and shortly after the airport was closed...

My condolences to all concerned.

Question; are the F-50 and Luxair crew cat 3 approved?
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Just been a press conference.
Cat II conditions, a/c & crew Cat II.
They mentioned there are now 18 dead, 2 critical in hospital and 2 unaccounted for/missing.
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I flew for Luxair when they had just begun to operate the F-50
and found them a great bunch to work with and very professional.
All the crew were good people, cannot imagine what went wrong.

My sincere and heartfelt condolences to all concerned.
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Saw report on BBC that the plane site was not "in line with the runway" eg offset to one side some distance. Not sure how reliable that is.
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Luxembourg crash

I know the area of the crash site as I live in Luxembourg. The road that they scraped across is in line with or closely parallel to the final approach path. I notice from pictures that the aircraft crossed the road at about 45%. This would be consistent with the failure of the starboard engine causing a vere to the right at a stage when the pilots were probably in full imc. I agree that the conditions of the starboard prop seems consistent with striking the ground while not under power. Of course no more than speculation and i'm sure the black boxes will soon provide the investigating team with the real state of the engines. Although the pictures from the rear were not all that clear I could not see extended flaps. Has any one any better views of this?
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