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Aircraft off the Runway at SXL

Old 2nd Nov 2002, 16:56
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Exclamation Aircraft off the Runway at SXL

Just heard on the TV3 News that a EuroCeltic aircraft skip off the runway at Sligo (EISG / SXL) and the forward part of the aircraft went into the sea.
No injuries to passengers or crew reported thank god.

Reported 50 passengers onboard plus crew.

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Old 2nd Nov 2002, 17:24
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Grapevine has it that it overshot the runway by something like 20 feet and ended up with the nose in the drink and the tail in the air.
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Additional news reports have said that the aircraft had 36 passengers on board and went off the runway by "10-15 feet" ending up with the nose in the water and the tail in the air.
The news reported that weather conditions in the area at the time were described as "difficult".

I presume that this is a F27 as they normally use a F27 on the Dublin/Silgo.Euroceltic have a F50 wet leased in from Newair at the moment operating Donegal/Dublin ,Dublin/Waterford and Waterford/Luton.

Delighted to hear that all on board are o.k.
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Leaves on the runway, I'll bet
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water water every where .....

there's a good bit of water around the strip ....... have a look at this link ......

http://www.hiway.co.uk/aviation/gifs/runway8a.jpg

if it doesn't get you at one end it will certainly try to get you at the other !!!! ......

cheers .....

also a "right base for 29" photo ......

http://www.hiway.co.uk/aviation/gifs/runway7a.jpg


cheers ........
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I think the photographs prove that the likelihood of leaves on the runway is extremely slim. I don't think they do trees in Sligo!
Good news that everyone's okay though.

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The world's first F50 "hightail conversion"?

(Glad no one hurt.)
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Lots of water, not exactly a long runway, probably a lot of water on the runway given the Irish weather lately. Not much room for error - speaks for itself really. Life in EC must be quite exciting these days what with tyres popping, maintenance 'issues' and washing the aircraft with both the crew and passengers onboard. Whatever next? Answers in a sealed envelope to ops at Luton.
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Also glad no-one's hurt, though I can well imagine the chagrin and hope no careers are jeopardised.

"This was not precisely what we meant by Wet Lease". Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Nice to see that nobody was injured.

And what a wise decision to squeeze in a runway there, unless the photo is misleading.

The planners should receive honorary membership in Mensa, and help solve society's puzzles with the others who have very high IQs. Where do the very gifted hold their conventions/seminars?
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Old 3rd Nov 2002, 10:12
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aww come on, what's wrong with a challenge?
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"You can lead a plane to water, but you can't make it drink!"

Delighted to hear that all pax & crew are alright. Let's just hope that the guys & gals who have worked bloody hard to keep this airline running, in spite of completely atrocious management, do not end up out of work.

Good luck to you all.

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Cool Short & wet runway!

Glad everyone is okay after this mishap! **** can hit anyone on any flight.

These guys where just the crew & pax on wrong flight, cockpit guys has most likely learned their lesson for life. Quite sure that EC managment will keep them, unless they accept some ®good® advice from their partner on the continent!!!
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Very magnanimous godfather - but learning a lesson for life when both crew are in their late 50's and one is the Chief Training Captain - does not really make for a good philosophy, or learning curve - perhaps we better just wait until we have some idea of just what did happen and why the aircraft did not go around, but overran, before we talk about **** happening, or talk about anything until we have some facts - the permutations of 'Why' are endless - 'guess that's why we have accident investigations
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This is a huge shame....the potential for this little operation was very good in my opinion. But, alas, the management are the worse i've ever come across....and will be responsible for its down-turn.

Glad to hear no-one was hurt and sincerely hope this isn't the end of the company.

Wouldn't be suprised to see an AOC in suspension first thing Monday morning in view of this and the incident at LTN until someone sorts out its management structure.....or replaces them!

Understand the aircraft has been written off after the tide came in, anyone know ? and it had also just been sold to be replaced by F50's.
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I am given to understand the aircraft is a total loss. As for AOC - you may well be right - 'had some trouble with last Ops inspection, I am told - was an F27 and, yes, they are being replaced by F50s - I do not know if this aircraft was on Irish or British register - this will determine who does the accident investigation. If it is UK AAIB, I fear they will not survive - however, given the circumstances, that may not be all wrong - great shame for the competent people that work for them but we must not lose sight of what, for whatever reason, happened to the passengers on board - they place blind trust and faith in an operation - if it is not up to that trust, well, what do you think should happen? There is EU funding involved here, so I guess there are many interests at work - ours not to judge - we have no facts, or very few - note that it did not seem to rate any form of mention in UK media! strange, that! We must, however continue to bear in mind that many people's jobs hang on this, together with the crew and their careers and self-esteem - it is a very delicate situation - only alleviated by the fact ( hopefully ) that nobody is reported as having been injured - physically, at least - really best for all involved and concerned if, even in this forum, we exercise self-control and leave any comment until after a full and professional investigation. This sort of incident/accident is not really for 'voyeurs' - this is deadly serious stuff. The legal ramifications and implications alone are of such dimension that we should just leave them alone in their misery to sort it out. Not from ghoulish motivation, but does anybody have a picture of the wreckage?
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The investigation will be conducted by the Air Accident Investigation Unit (AAIU) of the Irish Dept. of Transport, but the AAIB will also have an input, representing the state of registry, the UK. I don't understand why the UK's conduct of the inquiry might lead to the airline not surviving? Standards are no different and the AAIU will not pull its punches.

The aircraft may well be an insurance write off, but it does not appear to be too badly damaged. Sea-water related corrosion may be the main concern.
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Not the first time Euroceltic have had a problem when landing. This from PPRUNE posted 2002-11-04
xxx just recently made a very interesting approach at LTN, 300 ft above the threshold and still landed !!!!! All tyres burst and a serious CAA investigation...wouldn't be surprised if the AOC gets pulled next...
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Especially as it was the same Captain on both incidents !!!!
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For once I agree with you Sean Dillon. EC have an operation that only exists because of the hard work & effort that has been put into the company by the pilots & the cabin crew. They are one of the best bunch of people any regional carrier has anywhere. It has quite a unique mix of guys & gals: the F/Os are all in their first airline flying jobs & all of the captains (apart from one who is the exception in the talent stakes that proves the rule) are in their sixties with a wealth of airline experience. Two of the young F/Os were recently promoted. It makes for a great combination of personalities. As for the cabin crew; they all have previous airline experience, they are great, intelligent & fun loving Irish girls without equal. You have seen on this thread the type of airfields that these guys have been operating into: lets just say they are challenging & hopefully if this airline goes under prospective employers will take their experience level into account.

But how have the management behaved towards these people. Please allow me to enlighten you:-
After every other department in the airline has received pay rises the pilots & cabin crew have always been told that,"...it's the wrong time to ask..." They haven't had a pay rise for the two years that the company has existed.
Their measly £1.00 per hour daily allowance is always a paid a month too late so they are out of pocket & funding themselves every time they are away.
The new "management" put them up at Pebble Beach holday camp in Tramore. This is the holding place for Asylum seekers from Nigeria & last year was in the Waterford press because of a spate of stabbings & arson attacks! The flight crew spend up to seven nights at a time in this dump.
They have been lied to constantly about the appearance of the F50s & been left dangling on a string with the promise of a new type but then the company seeks a £14,400 bond.
They are allowed to work a longer duty period than CAP 371 states & frequently do all for nothing, with constant split duties. They have absolutely no rostering agreement & have changes made to their rosters whenever operations feel like it.

To the First officers you deserve far better, when things pick up , as they surely will, you will get your just rewards.



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Let's differentiate here Sean Dillon. There were two captains on that aircraft: one known to be only allowed to fly under supervision ref: the CAA, & the other a top class professional who, as Training Captain for Euroceltic, was the poor guy who had to fly with this pillock. This is because they are short of guys in-check to fly the F27 as the management couldn't get their a*se into gear regarding training the crews onto the F50s.
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