Aircraft off the Runway at SXL
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ONLY TO PILOTS AND CABIN CREW???
I would like to make a point on here that its not ONLY the pilots and cabin crew who have worked hard and not only those still in the airline. Those who joined in the beginning and also those who have come and gone have hoped to believe that this airline will be the first that listened to ALL employees not just a select few and would also be a place where doors were not shut, but there you go, hope is the biggest fool. Maybe those who become bitter towards ops are just heading in the same direction of those managers who shut doors on others, in the end its down to a lack of understanding of how other peoples departments work. Ignorance is bliss
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F27 G-ECAT
Euroceltic's Fokker F27 G-ECAT overran the runway on landing at Sligo Airport (EISG) on Saturday evening (2/11/02). Footage on RTE's evening news showed the aircraft with its nose partially
submerged in the sea. Everyone on board appears to have evacuated safely through the rear door. It was operating flight 'ECY406' from Dublin.
submerged in the sea. Everyone on board appears to have evacuated safely through the rear door. It was operating flight 'ECY406' from Dublin.
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I have been in ECY Operations since before the company was awarded its AOC so it`s time to put a few facts straight....
The Potter.....as Cabinslave quite rightly says..it is not just the pilots and cabin crew who have worked hard for this airline..I know what it is like to do 21 hour shifts without much of a break....and unlike pilots and cabin crew who benefit from the use of a hotel when doing split duties!!I know what you mean about the use of crew houses in Tramore but to be fair...crews haven`t been based in WAT for some time now...crews now get hotac in DUB,SXL & CFN.
Finally we in Operations do NOT change crew rosters just because we feel like it...that is grossly unfair so an apology would not go amiss....when you are faced with too few pilots and alot of flights to cover....then you will know what it is like!!
In the meantime we are all facing uncertain times.....
CA
The Potter.....as Cabinslave quite rightly says..it is not just the pilots and cabin crew who have worked hard for this airline..I know what it is like to do 21 hour shifts without much of a break....and unlike pilots and cabin crew who benefit from the use of a hotel when doing split duties!!I know what you mean about the use of crew houses in Tramore but to be fair...crews haven`t been based in WAT for some time now...crews now get hotac in DUB,SXL & CFN.
Finally we in Operations do NOT change crew rosters just because we feel like it...that is grossly unfair so an apology would not go amiss....when you are faced with too few pilots and alot of flights to cover....then you will know what it is like!!
In the meantime we are all facing uncertain times.....
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Any updates? The reason I suspect aircraft being total loss was not from sea-water corrosion but because I suspect nose-gear and props will be u/s, mains likely to be, plus batteries and radar and associated electronics and avionics traumatised at the least. The rest of the airframe may also have received considerable stress/strain/impact damage - but all speculation - no pictures seen - I assume runway still closed, unless wreckage already recovered? When two bodies get involved in investigations the outcome is sometimes unpredictable - as said, there are forces at work here. No suggestion that Irish authority would be significantly different, I hope, just that there may be more than one authority involved. I am given to understand that the PH has been dismissed and the PNH Training Captain has resigned. Our sympathies must of course lie with all employees, plus others who have helped to keep this operation going - plus of course consideration toward the passengers who experienced this
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I'm glad everyone concerned is safe and well.
I must agree with cabin slave and captain anchovie,ops do work hard and try their best not to change rosters around too much,but it is hard when you are short of crew.
I know the cabin crew and pilots all work very hard and have put up with a lot of s**t from the managment.
Lots of people still want to see this little airline survive, and it can only do so if everyone pulls together and works as a team and listens to each other.
I do feel sorry for the poor cabin crew member who was flying solo that day,I'm sure the cabin crew manager and the rest of the girls will look after her.
By the way "potter" there were a couple of english girlies who were just as much fun,it wasnt their fault that they got shoved in the office and were'nt allowed to fly as much !!!But hey there's only one left because the others went off to better things(dont take offence cabin slave),well one got pushed because she stood up for herself,and the other,well what can I say,the sun is much more of a suitable option for myself at the moment !!!
Take care everyone and lots of hugs and kisses to all xxxxxxxxxx
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ps cabin slave it rained after I spoke to you but its nice and sunny again and hot.
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I must agree with cabin slave and captain anchovie,ops do work hard and try their best not to change rosters around too much,but it is hard when you are short of crew.
I know the cabin crew and pilots all work very hard and have put up with a lot of s**t from the managment.
Lots of people still want to see this little airline survive, and it can only do so if everyone pulls together and works as a team and listens to each other.
I do feel sorry for the poor cabin crew member who was flying solo that day,I'm sure the cabin crew manager and the rest of the girls will look after her.
By the way "potter" there were a couple of english girlies who were just as much fun,it wasnt their fault that they got shoved in the office and were'nt allowed to fly as much !!!But hey there's only one left because the others went off to better things(dont take offence cabin slave),well one got pushed because she stood up for herself,and the other,well what can I say,the sun is much more of a suitable option for myself at the moment !!!
Take care everyone and lots of hugs and kisses to all xxxxxxxxxx
FC
ps cabin slave it rained after I spoke to you but its nice and sunny again and hot.
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Ahh Lad......sssss
Well,
NOw that the dust has settled and the slagging match has finished!!!! I agree with Fokker Chick. There are those of us who want to see the airline survive. You have 2 dedicated teams who really are relying on this airline. 1. The staffers of ECY and 2. The staffers of Waterford Airport.
This morning on the Waterford local radio the airlines Chairman had a pretty ok interview. In fairness to the man he holds his hand up and lets you know there are certain facets to the airline he has not yet mastered. And most importantly he's doing something about it. From what I can see the airline business seems to have more gossip in it than Cosmopolitan and the TV times combined. In my humble view. ECY arrived in a baptism of fire last year to it's current owner. The gentleman concerned swollowed a rather large debt and he's pushing the show forward. Unlike many other business's, airlines do need to be micromanged. Every seat, every day is a perishable item. For an airline the size of ECY it will consume large amounts of everyone's time from top to bottom to continue it's climb back into the air. Management in most companys don't go out to shaft employees and from what I can see of ECY they don't in there either.
I think most of the crap which has turned up in here is derived from ex employees who had their botty's smacked. Indeed Fokker chick you are enjoying the sunnier climbs of Florida. Good on ye. We'd all love to move to Florida. But alas some of us like the aul sod and plan on staying put. So for those staying around, enjoy the challenge of working with your progressive little airline. For the rest. **** OFF and stop grumbling.
To quote Monty Python "If all your going to do is grumble, they should have taken your teeth away".
Slan a chaire.
J.Sid
NOw that the dust has settled and the slagging match has finished!!!! I agree with Fokker Chick. There are those of us who want to see the airline survive. You have 2 dedicated teams who really are relying on this airline. 1. The staffers of ECY and 2. The staffers of Waterford Airport.
This morning on the Waterford local radio the airlines Chairman had a pretty ok interview. In fairness to the man he holds his hand up and lets you know there are certain facets to the airline he has not yet mastered. And most importantly he's doing something about it. From what I can see the airline business seems to have more gossip in it than Cosmopolitan and the TV times combined. In my humble view. ECY arrived in a baptism of fire last year to it's current owner. The gentleman concerned swollowed a rather large debt and he's pushing the show forward. Unlike many other business's, airlines do need to be micromanged. Every seat, every day is a perishable item. For an airline the size of ECY it will consume large amounts of everyone's time from top to bottom to continue it's climb back into the air. Management in most companys don't go out to shaft employees and from what I can see of ECY they don't in there either.
I think most of the crap which has turned up in here is derived from ex employees who had their botty's smacked. Indeed Fokker chick you are enjoying the sunnier climbs of Florida. Good on ye. We'd all love to move to Florida. But alas some of us like the aul sod and plan on staying put. So for those staying around, enjoy the challenge of working with your progressive little airline. For the rest. **** OFF and stop grumbling.
To quote Monty Python "If all your going to do is grumble, they should have taken your teeth away".
Slan a chaire.
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Well the runway at SXL was clear on Monday 4th. I heard that the pilot has resigned. I know that the aircraft touched down more than half way down the runway, The AAIB will let us know why!
Glad nobody was injured!
Glad nobody was injured!
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I'n sad that one of the pilots in question has resigned as he was a real gentleman with a vast amount of experience on various types of a/c. I'm sure he'll be missed by all.
once again hugs and kisses to all xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
FC
once again hugs and kisses to all xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
FC
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Well, that is a sad sight!!
Even though my time at ECY was short, it was evident that there is a huge amount of enthusiasm by alot of the staff for it to work and a large amount of very very good people that is ECY's main asset. I really do hope that they can recover from this....
Best of luck to all at Halcyon House and WAT....
As fokkerchick said, I sure feel for that poor girl who was the solo cabin attendant that day...
Rich
Even though my time at ECY was short, it was evident that there is a huge amount of enthusiasm by alot of the staff for it to work and a large amount of very very good people that is ECY's main asset. I really do hope that they can recover from this....
Best of luck to all at Halcyon House and WAT....
As fokkerchick said, I sure feel for that poor girl who was the solo cabin attendant that day...
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This topic has gone very quiet! Iam given to understand that CAA wanted to ' pull ' EC AOC but, after some bargaining, it was agreed to 'ground' the F27 fleet but allow the F50s to continue! EC have, I understand, bought the F50 Operator and now cannot decide if they will 'lay off' the F27 people, or bond them for some quite significant amount to type them on the F50. Meantime, F27 people do not know if they will be paid this month, or if they have a job at all! This all sounds very familiar but may be quite inaccurate - so, if anybody can give an update on this, it would be useful. If CAA have doubts about an operation, it surely is splitting hairs if one fleet is seen to be 'ok' and another is not - they cannot be so naiive as to go along with the all-too-familiar manouevres to keep a, basically, unworthy operation in business - nice to support the 'underdog', agreed, but if this is potentially at the cost of the 'travelling public', will CAA carry the ultimate 'can'?
EC's recent history needs to be examined - if the Ops Inspector feels he is justified, then 'so be it' - I just hope he can sleep at night!
EC's recent history needs to be examined - if the Ops Inspector feels he is justified, then 'so be it' - I just hope he can sleep at night!
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Dont belive everything you here...
The talk of the F50 operation being bought has been going around for awhile, last time I asked ECy owner he denied it.
The talk of ECY purchasing the remaining EI F50's sounds more through, I've heard that all paperwork signed and processed.
F27 crews will be around awhile more (long long while)
Regds
The talk of the F50 operation being bought has been going around for awhile, last time I asked ECy owner he denied it.
The talk of ECY purchasing the remaining EI F50's sounds more through, I've heard that all paperwork signed and processed.
F27 crews will be around awhile more (long long while)
Regds
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Thanks The 5Q - that sounds a whole lot more optimistic - I certainly hope the F27 people will be ok - they have some good people - it would be a great shame for this accident to have messed up their careers, or anybody else's, for that matter Best wishes to you/them all !
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Reading these postings, it sounds like the f27 guys get a fairly raw deal, the majority of them must be fairly experienced by now, perhaps it's time they considered moving on.
It can't be easy for the management at the moment either as it would appear this F27 to F50 transition has not been planned as it should.
We meet some of these crews positioning, they seem like a good bunch, it would be a pity if all this rumour and back biting were to cause what is essentially a good operation problems.
It can't be easy for the management at the moment either as it would appear this F27 to F50 transition has not been planned as it should.
We meet some of these crews positioning, they seem like a good bunch, it would be a pity if all this rumour and back biting were to cause what is essentially a good operation problems.
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REDUNDANCIES AT EURODISNEY AIRWAYS
Well I was strongly criticised for my previous postings on this thread but what I said I stand by, because:-
Euroceltic Airways today made all of its flight crew redundant.
Thay have all been put on a three month redundancy notice & have been infromed that they may still keep a job with this dreadful company if they will front up the cash for their own type rating course on the F50. No mention of a pay rise for them; no mention of efficient rostering & the company having respect for all of their previous hard work; no mention of anything like sector pay. No, no, not with Euroceltic, just a matter of give us your cash & you may keep your jobs. No other department has been affected, just the usual target: the Flight Crew.
Good luck lads, as I said before, you thoroughly bloody deserve far better than this s#!t. And why am I so concerned: because what one crappy little carrier does to its crew today the others may do tomorrow.
Well I was strongly criticised for my previous postings on this thread but what I said I stand by, because:-
Euroceltic Airways today made all of its flight crew redundant.
Thay have all been put on a three month redundancy notice & have been infromed that they may still keep a job with this dreadful company if they will front up the cash for their own type rating course on the F50. No mention of a pay rise for them; no mention of efficient rostering & the company having respect for all of their previous hard work; no mention of anything like sector pay. No, no, not with Euroceltic, just a matter of give us your cash & you may keep your jobs. No other department has been affected, just the usual target: the Flight Crew.
Good luck lads, as I said before, you thoroughly bloody deserve far better than this s#!t. And why am I so concerned: because what one crappy little carrier does to its crew today the others may do tomorrow.
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Yes Potter you were quite rightly criticized for your previous
posting and you will be for this one too!
You seem to have such a good insight as to the workings of ECY I can only assume you must be on the payroll.However just like your last posting you are very much mistaken or out of touch.
You seem to have this bee in your bonnett about the Flight Crews and their greatly admired devotion to duty that without them the airline would cease to exist...so it`s about time that myth was finally laid to rest.
Not only does the airline employ pilots..but Operations staff (including me), Cabin Crew,Office based people as well as Handling Agents countrywide..ALL of whom want the airline to succeed and ALL of whom could be affected by your latest outburst of paranoia.
Yet again you mention something about a pay rise...what pay rise????...I`ve never had one...so you can retract that statement for a start!
Finally as I am currently on my days off at the moment I find it a little disturbing that my future is being banded out on here like it is some sort of properganda..anyway like most pilots you seem to be of that ilk whereby moaning and whinging is just as valuable as having a particular type rating ( ...no I am not a frustrated pilot..Captain Anchovy snr happens to be one of the most experienced in the country!)
CA
posting and you will be for this one too!
You seem to have such a good insight as to the workings of ECY I can only assume you must be on the payroll.However just like your last posting you are very much mistaken or out of touch.
You seem to have this bee in your bonnett about the Flight Crews and their greatly admired devotion to duty that without them the airline would cease to exist...so it`s about time that myth was finally laid to rest.
Not only does the airline employ pilots..but Operations staff (including me), Cabin Crew,Office based people as well as Handling Agents countrywide..ALL of whom want the airline to succeed and ALL of whom could be affected by your latest outburst of paranoia.
Yet again you mention something about a pay rise...what pay rise????...I`ve never had one...so you can retract that statement for a start!
Finally as I am currently on my days off at the moment I find it a little disturbing that my future is being banded out on here like it is some sort of properganda..anyway like most pilots you seem to be of that ilk whereby moaning and whinging is just as valuable as having a particular type rating ( ...no I am not a frustrated pilot..Captain Anchovy snr happens to be one of the most experienced in the country!)
CA
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I know I'm thousands of miles away and no longer involved (thank god !!), but you guys have got to stop b**ch*** about everything thats gone wrong and blaming each other.
Its appauling whats going on but please try to be adult about it all and support each other through the hard times.Everyone used to be so friendly when it started out dont lose that.
Hugs and kisses to all
FC xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Its appauling whats going on but please try to be adult about it all and support each other through the hard times.Everyone used to be so friendly when it started out dont lose that.
Hugs and kisses to all
FC xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx