A320 nose wheel collapse-CDG
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A320 nose wheel collapse-CDG
Hi, not sure of the exact details, but yesterday, sunday october 20th, an Air france A320 nose wheel collapsed while on an airbridge in Paris CDG. Anyone know what happened?
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If ya'll could take the horseplay elsewhere, so that those interested in what is happening in our community don’t have to scroll down to the last entry to find out, we’d appreciated.
Now, any info as to why the nose gear collapsed?
Now, any info as to why the nose gear collapsed?
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From: what U.S. calls ´old Europe´
non-stabilized approach ?
must have been a good show taxiing from the runway to the gate with a trail of sparks
Any information if it happens on arrival ? Probably not during pushback if no tow bar and no vehicle is visible on the photo.
Maybe applied park brake befor full stop and overloaded a failed locking mechanism which stood so far ?
Or did the co accidentially move the gear lever when getting of his seat
must have been a good show taxiing from the runway to the gate with a trail of sparks
Any information if it happens on arrival ? Probably not during pushback if no tow bar and no vehicle is visible on the photo.
Maybe applied park brake befor full stop and overloaded a failed locking mechanism which stood so far ?
Or did the co accidentially move the gear lever when getting of his seat
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From: north of barlu
this has happend while the aircraft was stationary , the nose gear has retracted into the bay , as the nose gear doors are open it would seem that the hydrulic power was ON as this is needed to move the doors (except for maintenance ).
This seems to rule out failure of the nose gear structure.
I would guess and it is only a guess that a miss-positioned shuttle valve directed hydrulic PX to the retraction line.
Shuttle valves can get mis-positioned during some maintenance tasks such as checking accumulator pre charge PX . the BAe 1-11 could do this very thing if after checking the nose wheel steering accumulator pre charge PX you did not put the nose geer lock in when you put the hydrulic power back on.
This seems to rule out failure of the nose gear structure.
I would guess and it is only a guess that a miss-positioned shuttle valve directed hydrulic PX to the retraction line.
Shuttle valves can get mis-positioned during some maintenance tasks such as checking accumulator pre charge PX . the BAe 1-11 could do this very thing if after checking the nose wheel steering accumulator pre charge PX you did not put the nose geer lock in when you put the hydrulic power back on.
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From: Deep inth Norhtern Hills
Drove past the Airbus on stand,plenty of engineers running around.
Later seen being towed with all the Air France logos and reg no blanked. No doubt our french cousins will go on strike about the incident:
Later seen being towed with all the Air France logos and reg no blanked. No doubt our french cousins will go on strike about the incident:
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From: Horsham, England, UK. ---o--O--o---
If You look carefully at the pictures you can see that the Jetty was on the aircraft at the time of the nosewheel collapse as witnessed by the L1 door having been almost torn right off.
I think in future I'll walk around rather than under aircraft on stand - Just in case!
I think in future I'll walk around rather than under aircraft on stand - Just in case!
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From: by the river
Nopax
Don't think there is any space under the engines.... wonder if they just touch or take some of the load ... ???? wonder if the designers ever though of that - anybody out there from the bus yard ???
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From: Canadia, the French bit
We all make mistakes.
Just not usually of that magnitude.
What with this bus and the Mesaba 14sick, I'd never realized just how strong these jetty things actually are!!! They certainly seem to win all of the arguments.
Just not usually of that magnitude.
What with this bus and the Mesaba 14sick, I'd never realized just how strong these jetty things actually are!!! They certainly seem to win all of the arguments.
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From: Tamarama beach
Pancka
From what far away planet do you come from ??? Selfrightousgalacticapatroniza ???
" Not of that magnitude " hey ???
Smell the coffe mate ! Should I draw you the list of MAJOR f.....s involving major carriers that were of such magnitude that they led to major loss of lives ???
Now think of that next time you get your toush in an airplane.
Allow me God not to be around as a pax.
By the way it was 2 ground engineers who were working on the aircraft and appear to have forgotten some very important part called PIN. I'll convey them your very kind words of support, fuzzy brain.
From what far away planet do you come from ??? Selfrightousgalacticapatroniza ???
" Not of that magnitude " hey ???
Smell the coffe mate ! Should I draw you the list of MAJOR f.....s involving major carriers that were of such magnitude that they led to major loss of lives ???
Now think of that next time you get your toush in an airplane.
Allow me God not to be around as a pax.
By the way it was 2 ground engineers who were working on the aircraft and appear to have forgotten some very important part called PIN. I'll convey them your very kind words of support, fuzzy brain.
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From: Canadia, the French bit
Hello wally-bie, fuzzy brain here.
If your company is in the habit of usually making mistakes of this magnitude, then could I please not fly with them, or that's all I'll be thinking about when my "toush" (whatever that is) is in one of their seats. Is this why my bags never make it with me when I pass thru CDG? Or why they get destroyed if they do make it with me? Hmmm.
To anyone else who doesn't take comments about this not being a normal mistake personally, can they confirm if the door's been destroyed on the aircraft as well? Looks like that's a -100 as well, so if engines trashed and fuse damaged, a write off surely?
If your company is in the habit of usually making mistakes of this magnitude, then could I please not fly with them, or that's all I'll be thinking about when my "toush" (whatever that is) is in one of their seats. Is this why my bags never make it with me when I pass thru CDG? Or why they get destroyed if they do make it with me? Hmmm.
To anyone else who doesn't take comments about this not being a normal mistake personally, can they confirm if the door's been destroyed on the aircraft as well? Looks like that's a -100 as well, so if engines trashed and fuse damaged, a write off surely?
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